Fords 300 replacement?
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81 F150 w/ 4.9, T18 4 speed, Advance Adapters Ranger Torque Splitter (8 forward; 2 reverse speeds 
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Been happy with my 4.9 since I bought the truck new.
Not much of a screamer, but it gets me there and back; and with good gas mileage.
Personally, I think Ford "fubared" when they dropped the 4.9.
).Been happy with my 4.9 since I bought the truck new.
Not much of a screamer, but it gets me there and back; and with good gas mileage.
Personally, I think Ford "fubared" when they dropped the 4.9.
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I think 1 reason they can get away with that High lift is the fact that the 5.4 is a modular motor, so it will rev fairly well, and has less parts in the vavletrain to break. I love my 4.9 though, but lets not forget one thing. Ford still makes inline sixes. Where you ask, about everywhere but here. Most noteably australia, where they have a 260 PS (roughly 350 HP) 550 NM (405 FT LB) turbocharged 4.0 L in a few of their cars. One that resembles an updated el camino, and looks dam sexy in my opinion.
I think ford has mastered the US market. They found out that most Americans will buy a new car every 100K miles or so, so they design cars to die after every 100K miles. Whereas oversees, people wont pay for crap that dies every 100K miles, so they are loaded with inline 6s, (ford makes em, BMW puts them in a variety of cars) cars that will last.
I could use a change of scenery, lets go get some kangaroos lolz
I think ford has mastered the US market. They found out that most Americans will buy a new car every 100K miles or so, so they design cars to die after every 100K miles. Whereas oversees, people wont pay for crap that dies every 100K miles, so they are loaded with inline 6s, (ford makes em, BMW puts them in a variety of cars) cars that will last.
I could use a change of scenery, lets go get some kangaroos lolz
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The 300 Won"t Be Back Because Of Tougher Emission Standards. The 300 Six Is One Of The Best Truck Motors Ever Built. In Order For Ford To Bring Back A Straight 6 Motor, They Would Need To Be Able To Get More Engine Opions Out Of It, Such As A 6,5 And A 4 From The Same Block To Make It Cost Effective. Gm Has Done It, But Has Dropped The Ball, With Dohc, They Lack Low End Tork Desired In A Truck Motor. I Wish Ford Would Pick Up The Ball And Run With It.
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As far as emissions go, oil supply problems, and climate change and all that other stuff, mabey Ford will bring back the 300 that will run on mabey bio-diesel, hydrogen, or something else. This motor can is versitile enough that it can be easily adapt to changes. Another thing, will all the newer versions of motors that came out almost 10 years ago or so are for the most part running strong today, will their reputation hold up in say a few years like the 300, and others that put Ford in its build ford tough standing. Another thing are the people who are buying. What to we do when something breaks or doesnt work right. We don't fix it, we throw it away! Thats the way the economy works now, and you see how many people dont keep their vehicles as long any more either. Ford sees this as a cash grab too, the more disposable the vehicle becomes, the more money will be made. But many work horses that Ford makes are superduty or over $30 grand canadian so thats leaving alot of truck owners out of budget, so they have to settle for a 4 banger or little v6 or baby8 to do all of their hauling and work with. Its no wonder why for the majority of truck owners with a 300 know they have a good one, are keeping them. Look around Ford!
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From: springfield,or
This may sound like heresy but i'm going to say, i think the 350 chevy must be the quintesential old truck motor. Why, well i never owned one to tell the absolute truth, but my experience with 390's leads me to believe that a oversquare bore nice reving engine is what a pickup needs.
why because the lack of gears the old trucks have, i did go out and buy a 69f100 with a 300 and it has 370 gears, but its a buzzy, slow revving, low rpm motor. But it has good power and econmy, v8's are luxurious even if they don't get the tourque.
And i'm sure they won't ever have the bottom end that every 300 nut talks about but i think cubic inches of the 350 and 390 can make up for it.
but 350 as far as i know gets only 15 to the gallon on highway, i've gotten 20 with the 300 in the summer. So the bottom line dictates right now, and i am keeping my 300.
why because the lack of gears the old trucks have, i did go out and buy a 69f100 with a 300 and it has 370 gears, but its a buzzy, slow revving, low rpm motor. But it has good power and econmy, v8's are luxurious even if they don't get the tourque.
And i'm sure they won't ever have the bottom end that every 300 nut talks about but i think cubic inches of the 350 and 390 can make up for it.
but 350 as far as i know gets only 15 to the gallon on highway, i've gotten 20 with the 300 in the summer. So the bottom line dictates right now, and i am keeping my 300.
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The 300 and the mid-70's truck spec 350 make the same horsepower and torque numbers, but the 350 makes everything nearly 1,000 RPM higher than the 300. So without a load the 350 would be 'more fun to drive', but if both trucks were geared the same the chevy would bog out under load before the 300.
The one advantage to the 350 would be that when the truck kicked down a gear it would have the revs to let it downshift. I know my 300 truck with 3.0's and a direct drive, I couldn't downshift until i was doing 55 while a 350 truck which had 2.75s could kick down to 2nd gear at 80 mph.
So, if you want to tow fast and get crappy mileage from either being geared deeply or having to always downshift, go for the 350. If you don't care that you're towing at 55 and want to get semi-decent mileage from a high geared low revving motor, go for the 300.
So factory stock the 300 has a slight advantage until the 350 truck is geared more steeply. Once you start building the motor for your specific needs, you can't argue with the 50 cube advantage.
Justin
The one advantage to the 350 would be that when the truck kicked down a gear it would have the revs to let it downshift. I know my 300 truck with 3.0's and a direct drive, I couldn't downshift until i was doing 55 while a 350 truck which had 2.75s could kick down to 2nd gear at 80 mph.
So, if you want to tow fast and get crappy mileage from either being geared deeply or having to always downshift, go for the 350. If you don't care that you're towing at 55 and want to get semi-decent mileage from a high geared low revving motor, go for the 300.
So factory stock the 300 has a slight advantage until the 350 truck is geared more steeply. Once you start building the motor for your specific needs, you can't argue with the 50 cube advantage.
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I like the 350 too, and has everything that the 305 doesnt. But it is no 300, two different beasts. The 300 can still do the grunt call better. If I had a 350 i would have probably lost my licence years ago! Powerful and fast, but i think even a stock 24 valve 5.4L could wip its ***! Now your talking a 330ci engine. I think the 300 has a 50 cube disadvantages in terms with say horsepower or what not, but they are of course build totally different. I also think the 300 has an advantage over jeeps 4.0 6 cylinder, as its over 60 cubes smaller than the 300. But the jeep would beat me in a race. The 4.9l can really wake up if you put some time and money into it and smoke a 350 if it wanted to. If you like racing of course, but if you want to put your truck to work you dont need a 350.
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I got it.
How about if Ford mated two 4.9L's in a V configuration.
Call it a 9.8 L V12. 600 cubes.
I know it's not pratical, but neither is a Turbo Carrera GT or a Bugatti Veyron 16.4.
How about if Ford mated two 4.9L's in a V configuration.
Call it a 9.8 L V12. 600 cubes.
I know it's not pratical, but neither is a Turbo Carrera GT or a Bugatti Veyron 16.4.
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From: springfield,or
well i felt the way i did because my 390 has major power actually even compared to the 300 and rev's sweetly, so it seems just logical that a 350 would do well too. I guess 390 is the king of motors for a 71 ford pickup
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How about using Fords trend toward ohc engines on the 300, maybe even dohc to let it rev higher. The inline is by far a proven design, GM has brought it back in the Trailblazer, and BMW uses it for some awesome power just to name a couple.
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IMO, matter of time.
Since GM thought there is enough of a market to develop a line-up of in lines.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Techno_Beat/GM_Gets_Back_Inline.S198.A1412.html
I would logically believe Ford is looking long and hard about developing a new in-liner. Most likely as the base motor for the work truck.
Edit, Maybe not I just noticed the this article is from 2000. Ford is stuck in neutral.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/Auto_News/Techno_Beat/GM_Gets_Back_Inline.S198.A1412.html
I would logically believe Ford is looking long and hard about developing a new in-liner. Most likely as the base motor for the work truck.
Edit, Maybe not I just noticed the this article is from 2000. Ford is stuck in neutral.
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HAHA ausome article,
After towing a trailer behind a TrailBlazer loaded at its maximum gross vehicle weight up a seven percent grade, we are convinced that the new engine is one of the best out there in any truck.
INLINE BABY haha. If ford brings it back, I WOULD BE HAPPY. I bet it gets better gas mileage, and is almost identical in the TQ output of the 300 (although it might need to rev a bit more to get it) and the HP is 100 over any stock 300. Woohoo, what would I do with another 100 HP. Ford should be able to add 150, because we know ford is superior hehe.
After towing a trailer behind a TrailBlazer loaded at its maximum gross vehicle weight up a seven percent grade, we are convinced that the new engine is one of the best out there in any truck.
INLINE BABY haha. If ford brings it back, I WOULD BE HAPPY. I bet it gets better gas mileage, and is almost identical in the TQ output of the 300 (although it might need to rev a bit more to get it) and the HP is 100 over any stock 300. Woohoo, what would I do with another 100 HP. Ford should be able to add 150, because we know ford is superior hehe.
