Good luck finding something.

 

Yea smart a$$, but they are still "domestic" companies no matter where the components are from. It is people like you that want to send all "our" jobs abroad to promote the economy of foreign countries while our unemployment rate skyrockets.
The problem is with our own government for NOT levying heavy import taxes on these foreign made autos. Every auto coming into this country from abroad should be slapped with a $5000 import tax for vehicles under $30,000 and a $10,000 tax for those over $30 grand. This will make people think twice about buying Asian and European imports. The problem is corruption, politicians got their hands in the pockets of these foreign auto makers and money talks, BS walks my friend. So maybe you should take a walk..

 

Your analogy is quite flawed in many ways. First you say the companies are 'Domestic" so buy from them no matter where the parts come from. Then you say that by not we are sending jobs abroad. Well I hate to say this to you but by buying "domestic" when their parts are made in other countries is the same thing. The car companies will make the money yes, but the jobs will still be abroad and not here. So your statement is really an oxymoron. Then adding a tax to imported cars, well that really makes no sense. A lot of the foreign cars are actually made here in the US giving the US jobs but letting the profits go abroad. Besides the fact that we are about freedom and that includes being free to buy what we want when we want, it would and does make no sense for the government to try and force the public to buy something just because it is an American Company. The real answer here is for the domestic car companies to make a product that has better reliability and quality then sell it for a competitive price. The market and the people will decide who survives or thrives in the car market as it should be, keep the politicians out of it.

 

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So the Ford Escape is a US vehicle and the Mazda Tribute is foreign?

http://www.autointell-news.com/News-...y-08-02-p3.htm

 

Hmm...Just like to know one thing, does everyone in Kansas think this way?

I don't think my analogy is flawed at all, I think the way you or others may interpret it is flawed. I am not going to repeat myself, all I know is what I said is the truth and anyone can twist it around anyway they want to. Ford, GM are American companies, the money they make stays here NO MATTER where the parts are made, that is a no brainer...You buy a Honda or Toyota the profits eventually end up in Japan, NO MATTER where the car is made... Can't see why this is so hard to understand???

Here is something I never said; "Then adding a tax to imported cars, well that really makes no sense. A lot of the foreign cars are actually made here in the US giving the US jobs but letting the profits go abroad."

Read my post this is what I said: "Every auto coming into this country from abroad should be slapped with a $5000 import tax for vehicles under $30,000 and a $10,000 tax for those over $30 grand." I never said anything about the foreign cars that are made here...you twisting words around to benefit your nonsense...let's compare apples to apples...

 

No, one is a rebranded Ford and the other is an actual Ford.

Here, what about these two cars? Are they American or Japanese? Engine and tranny are US built and the car is assembled in the USA using 70% content fromt the US/Canada (there is that bloody combination again!) which is more than several models from domestic automakers



2002 Honda Accord 2dr EX-L 2.3-4 4spd Auto
Japanese Owned
USA Assembly- Marysville, Ohio
USA Engine
USA Transmission
70% US/Canadian Parts Content
20% Japanese Parts Content

2002 Honda Accord 4dr EX-VC 3.0v6 4spd Auto
Japanese Owned
USA Assembly- Marysville, Ohio
USA Engine
USA Transmission
70% US/Canadian Parts Content
20% Japanese Parts Content

I ask again......are you Canadian, Tony? Why do you suppose domestic automakers refuse to distinguish between the two nations? Why do you ignore your own rational with that second logically flawed post above this one? Clearly, you support the Canadian auto industry with the same overt furor that you devote to domestics. Why differentiate between Japan and Canada?

 

First quote = Again I say this is not only flawed but makes no sense at all. The profits come to the company here but the jobs are still overseas, so the jobs are still gone and the unemployment is still around. Second quote = Same thing, the companies still get the profit but the Americans are out of work. Then they invest that same profit into building plants and buying parts from overseas countries. Oh yeah, we all do think alike in Kansas - your analogy's are flawed. Third quote = Do this and you will end up taxing some domestic brands. Many Fords and GM's are made in foreign countries and this would also have to include Canada which makes even more domestic brands.

There is that comparing apples to apples? Looks to me like your proposal would be great for the Domestic car companies but then have no benefit for the average American.

 

Quote: "I ask again......are you Canadian, Tony? Why do you suppose domestic automakers refuse to distinguish between the two nations? Why do you ignore your own rational with that second logically flawed post above this one? Clearly, you support the Canadian auto industry with the same overt furor that you devote to domestics. Why differentiate between Japan and Canada?"

Hell no! I am not Canadian, I live in the great state of New Jersey, but if you insist on putting Canada in the same boat as Japan and the European imports, go right ahead. By the way can you name one Canadian owned auto maker? I honestly do not know what automobiles or trucks, we (the USA), import from Canada? What are the makes and models of cars and trucks from Canadian owned companies? If Ford or GM have autos made in Canada, where do the the profits from the sale of these vehicles ultimately end up? You got it, the good ole USA, NOT Canada.
By the way, we are not talking about American companies having autos made for them by foreign countries, my argument is about autos made in foreign countries which are owned by foreign countries, there is a huge difference my friend.
What we have to try and do is to have Ford and GM autos the top selling car in USA like it was in 50's and 60's, the only way we can do this is to keep the foreign autos (autos made by foreign owned companies) out of the country by imposing heavy import taxes on them and make them cost prohibitive to the ordinary car buyer, in other words, almost force Americans to buy American cars. For example a Toyota Corolla with a hefty tax imposed (even if it was built in plant here in the USA) would cost between $25K and $30K, while a similar Ford Focus would only be $15K. People who are cost concious would ultimately buy the Ford Focus. That pricing example might be a little dramatic, but you get the picture.
Also on the list is that Ford and GM have to sell more cars overseas to offset the trade imbalance. The Japs and Europeans are selling all their cars over here, while American made cars hardly sell over their. The only exception I think is trucks.

 

Again I must ask, why should people be "forced" (your word) to buy something that is more expensive and less quality just because it is a domestic company?

As for Ford and GM selling more cars overseas then you should check the numbers. Ford is one of if not the largest selling brands in other parts of the world. Many times it is the overseas units of Ford that make the money while their domestic sells are down. I am sure GM has somewhat of the same thing but Ford definitely sells more then GM overseas.

 

The issue regarding unions is backwards. The fact that other countries in the global market use something closer to slave labor, is the unfortunate part, not the fact that US workers are better respected or taken care of for their labor. So while the US makers continue to move into thrid-world labor markets, many of the foregin-owned manufacturers have actually moved into the US economy and provided more jobs and money int oour economy, rather than taking it outside the borders, yet they are still tpyically producing desingns and innovations that out-match domestic attempts and timelines. The strategy of design has never really changed for the domestic brands, similar to the French auto arrogance in the '30s.

It's great when a better vehicle like the Escape comes along, but unfortunately those vehicles have been far and few between. And let's face it, the three Fords I've owned were bought strictly out of the low resale value discount.

 

i have to throw in on this, excuse me if this slides towards political because this thread already has because union/antiunion speech is basically republican/democrat speech, so back off it. the uaw was formed to protect SKILLED manufacturers from the greed and lack of concern for the employee presented by big business bosses!!!! rules are in place in government to back up this and other unions..... rules like many others in place not being enforced right now, so the companies will jump at the chance to close us plants, move the skilled work to third world countries, sell a piece of junk for more than the quality product you are used to, and by the time you realize your car or truck is crapola, they have either retired with a huge package or are forced out of the board room with a huge package!!! right now, i hate to say it as a union member myself (not UAW) you want american made, buy a toyota!!! i would rather support a japanese company paying americans than an american paying mexicans, no offense to hispanics in this country, because YOU ARE AMERICANS NOW!!
toyota, honda, subaru, now kia and hyundai are opening or operating plants in the us while our beloved ford bosses are cutting every corner to make profits and line their pockets...and its a matter of society, asian society is based on honor and pride, like ours used to be. japanese manufacturers would be ashamed to put out some of the products the big three does, and before you attack their cheap, weak, "unreliable" cars, remember they don't usually face the driving conditions we put them through in america, so now their cars are being built by us to our standards and are making a lot of our cars look bad, but i still buy fords. just check for them being built in america.

you will find the larger american parts content and assembly in cars that target 30+ americans who care and know what happens when our economy faulters, younger, more naive drivers are targetted with the cars made with foreign parts and assembled in mexico or such i.e. convertibles and tuner style cars. be educated, buy what profits the american people and the message will sink in and the jobs will return, i would guess after 2008 if you get my drift, remember 14k+ stock market and record low unemployeement with a surplus in washington. darn, i knew i would get poilitical, and i apologize to all!!!!!!

 

I am watching this thread very closely.

-Matt