November/YTD sales numbers

Ford:.........11/05........YTD
Ranger.........8,761.....115,022
F-Series......62.878....811,972
(memo: Mark LT..1,255....8,495)
Exped...........6,727....104,552
Excursion.......750......15,498
(memo:Navigator..1,466..23,180)


GM...........11/05.......YTD
Colorado/
Canyon.......8,135.....131,386
Silverado/
Sierra........49,416.....845,368
Tahoe/
Yukon........11,489.....203,856
Suburban/
Yukon XL......7,504....127,334
(memo:Escalade..2,623..46,300)

The one battle I haven't seen much press about is this:

Total Ford Branded Sales, YTD:...........2,425,490
Total Chevrolet Branded Sales, YTD:...2,438,305

Whoever wins, it could be a pyrrhic victory- Toyota looks like it could pass both makes for the #1 slot.

 

thanks for the numbers.

 

NISSAN DIVISION SALES

November November Monthly CYTD CYTD CYTD DSR
2005 2004 DSR 2005 2004 % Change
% Change
Nissan Division
Total 66,849 68,795 -6.7 861,872 774,801 11.6
Sentra 8,450 7,425 9.3 112,219 97,940 15.0
Altima 15,154 16,345 -11.0 236,923 216,262 9.9
Maxima 5,422 5,540 -6.0 69,478 69,951 -0.3
350Z 1,933 2,118 -12.4 25,100 28,389 -11.3
Total Car 30,959 31,428 -5.4 443,721 412,542 7.9
Frontier 5,509 5,407 -2.2 66,781 64,822 3.4
Xterra 7,231 5,097 36.2 63,601 60,483 5.5
Pathfinder 5,958 6,182 -7.5 68,677 30,888 123.1
Murano 5,764 6,028 -8.2 66,178 54,537 21.8
Quest 2,322 2,854 -21.9 37,828 43,224 -12.2
Armada 3,148 3,617 -16.4 35,420 32,662 8.8
Titan 5,958 8,182 -30.1 79,666 75,643 5.7
Total Truck 35,890 37,367 -7.8 418,151 362,259 15.8
North American
Produced 59,145 59,202 -4.1 769,405 666,851 15.8
Car 29,026 29,310 -4.9 418,620 384,126 9.4
Truck 30,119 29,892 -3.3 350,785 282,725 24.5
Import 7,704 9,593 -22.9 92,467 107,950 -14.0
Car 1,933 2,118 -12.4 25,101 28,416 -11.4
Truck 5,771 7,475 -25.9 67,366 79,534 -15.0


Looks like the Titan is really hurting

 

Don't worry. They know what is what in Detroit.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...512010470/1014

 

its gonna be a fight to the end. we will all have to wait and seewhat happens. Toyota does have some momentum though.

 

the titan is a cool truck from my limited chance to drive and ride in one.

 

I'll never understand how Chevy is able to sell that many Tahoe/Suburban. Sure, I would buy one, but I didn't know that 200,000 people would buy one with today's gas prices.

 

I would have thought the spread would have been wider since Chevrolet has so many more products in more market segments. Of the American named manufacturers, only Chevrolet has an "affordable" Sports car with the Corvette whereas MOPAR has a much more expensive Viper and and Ford has the very very expensive Gt. Only Chevrolet has the super subcompact Aveo. Only Chevrolet has the SSR specialty vehicle. Only Chevrolet (HHR) and MOPAR (PT Cruiser) has a retro station wagon. Only Chevrolet has a mid-size (Malibu) There are others (large SUV, etc) but you get the idea.

 

We should not worry about the battle between Ford and GM. It's the war against the Japanese brands that we need to worry about. Both GM and Ford are losing market shares to Honda, Toyota, and Nissan in the overall markets.

If this is bad, just wait until Toyota comes out with real full size trucks.
My feeling is that for every Titan truck that was sold, either Ford, GM, or Chrysler lost a sale.

 

I wouldn't worry about the loss of market shares to the imports for long. It's funny how a "fad" is soo consistant.

 

Before we dismiss the increase in sales to foreign automakers as a fad, look at the facts:

1. Most young Americans (teenagers - college) have a foreign made car (Civic, Camry, Jetta, etc.), which means they are very likely to keep buying that brand the rest of their lives. My first vehicle was a Ford, and now I am hooked. It works that way for most people.

2. American cars are seen as boring, poorly made, and non fuel efficient. The only way to change these perceptions is for Ford and GM to make cars like they have the last 2 years or so (well, GM needs a wakeup call still). All of my friends who own Honda/Volkswagen/Toyota vehicles have been VERY impressed with my 2004 F150. If the Fusion, Five Hundred, Freestyle, and hybrids can hold the line, we may see a comeback. If not, American cars are screwed.

3. The quality of American cars is now equal to Toyota and Honda. Check the latest JD Power and Associates ratings. As the Japanese companies start to make more and more cars their quality has to decline. It is a simple business rule. The tradeoff that Ford decided on a couple of years ago was to giveup market share for higher profitability, which has also led to better quality.

4. As long as unions are in the American factories, GM and Ford may never stand a chance. Sure Toyota pays its US factory workers roughly the same hourly wage (roughly $25/hour) as GM and Ford, but the union benefits at GM and Ford make the TOTAL hourly wage about $75/hour. When you add in Toyota's extra cost, the US automakers are spending twice as much an hour per worker per car built (see the Wall Street Journal). In that case, they have to have a very low profit margin on each vehicle to compete, which means the Japanese can take their extra profits and invest it in more research and better materials which leads to better cars. This is exactly why the Fusion is built in Mexico. A good move by Ford to simply stay competitive.

 

I have talked to alot of people about gas & diesel prices and everyone says yea they are high. Nobody so far has said yea there high and I'm having to change things like car pool, or walk alittle more, etc. People aren't into changing things until forced. Chevy, has always some how been able to get better gas mileage than others. Most of the guys I know with 1/2 ton Chevy 4x4 trucks with 5.3 engines getting 16-22 MPG, most get 18-20. I thought these guys were BSing me until I took a short trip in one, 300 miles. He got avg. of 18.76 MPG @ avg speed 70. MPH. I think the new F150 with 5.4 is getting much better mileage now than before.

 

kermmydog- "I have talked to alot of people about gas & diesel prices and everyone says yea they are high. Nobody so far has said yea there high and I'm having to change things like car pool, or walk alittle more, etc. People aren't into changing things until forced. Chevy, has always some how been able to get better gas mileage than others. Most of the guys I know with 1/2 ton Chevy 4x4 trucks with 5.3 engines getting 16-22 MPG, most get 18-20. I thought these guys were BSing me until I took a short trip in one, 300 miles. He got avg. of 18.76 MPG @ avg speed 70. MPH. I think the new F150 with 5.4 is getting much better mileage now than before."

Yep- it's actually closer to 330,000 units YTD, and that's in a down year. Normal volume should be running around 450,000-500,000 units. GM owns the full-sized SUV market for a variety of reasons- bottom line, they're nice units and have found widespread acceptance in the marketplace.

osbornk- good observations. Chevy has always tried to "spread" sales over a larger product line, while Ford tends to always have one or two really hot sellers and concentrate their sales in those models. Some Chevy numbers grabbed my attention- over 250,000 Impalas YTD (it's a really good car, especially with the 3.9 or the 5.3, but that's a lotta iron). 168,000 Cobalts (we sell every one we get- but that's only 8-10/month). 200,000 Malibus? Kids, the Fusion is so superior to the Malibu, it's not even true- and we haven't talked looks, which is another story.

 

Don't you love it, though? Chevy is determined to be number one in sales, and they're willing to bankrupt GM in order to do it. "We lose money on every one we sell, but we make it up in VOLUME!!" One of the few smart things Ford has done is to wake up and realize that market share "bragging rights" don't mean much if it's done at the expense of profit and overall fiscal health.

 

Unfortunately, Jeff, that's closer to truth than a lot of folks realize.