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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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new body, old frame

This is a little crazy, but i'm wondering if it is possible to mount a 92-96, or even better a 97-02 body on an 89' frame. Its a manual and obviously would need some tweaks, but is it possible.

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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 06:07 PM
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You definitely can't mount the '97 and up body on it, but you can put the 92 to 96 body on it without too much trouble. The frame stayed pretty much the same fron 1980 to 1996. Just make sure that the bodies are the same (regular cab, long bed, etc.)
 
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Old Oct 30, 2005 | 07:54 PM
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What are the big factors that would limit me from fitting a 97 body on the frame. I think i could fab some brackets for the body mounts, the tire distance front to back is the same, the only thing i was thinking could be trouble is the steering wheel, and possible the engine compartment but i think the newer trucks tend to have a larger engine compartment. I'm interested in this because i haven't seen it done but it would cost some so i'm definetly interested in your input. I might be completely missing something???
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by countryF150
What are the big factors that would limit me from fitting a 97 body on the frame. I think i could fab some brackets for the body mounts, the tire distance front to back is the same, the only thing i was thinking could be trouble is the steering wheel, and possible the engine compartment but i think the newer trucks tend to have a larger engine compartment. I'm interested in this because i haven't seen it done but it would cost some so i'm definetly interested in your input. I might be completely missing something???
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 01:48 PM
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if your body is in good shape just install 92 up front clip on it .It all bolts up with minor work.
 
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 01:58 PM
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No, it's not impossible.

Body mounts aren't going to line up with where they need to sit on the frame.

The engine compartment is designed for a completely different line of engines. The 300 isn't going to fit under the newer, shorter hood. If you have a V8, then maybe. But you're going to run into issues trying to fit that motor under that hood. Does the intake clear the firewall? I don't know.

Nothing is impossible - but this will be difficult, expensive and very time-consuming. If you have the patience, money and time, then go for it - we'd all love to see the finished product!
 
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 02:09 PM
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thanks for the specs input, those are some of the things i wasn't sure about. I guess i'll price some stuff out and check out all the options.
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 08:40 PM
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A 1997 with a 1989 bed would be hilarious.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 01:03 AM
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common naw, i don't want to look like a fool, always gotta look good while drivin the ford, i found almost all the body parts for about 4000, but still don't know if its worth the risk of not having it fit, but it's tempting cause its pretty strange and inovative
 
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 05:51 AM
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Body mounts aren't going to line up with where they need to sit on the frame.
Nothing wrong with "ears" made of 3/8" plate with 3/8" triangle-cut gussetts.

The cab isn't that heavy.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 10:10 AM
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thats what i was leaning towards too frederic, what do you think about the engine compartment with the 4.9, just how tight will it be? Think i can fit it in there, and any idea on steering wheel placement? With all these mods, if i put it in i'm thinkin i'll go super cab anyways, any more input.
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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The super duty engine compartment is about four inches narrower than the 92-96 F-series, at least internally, because of the interesting fenders the superduties have. However, in exchange for that reduced width, the inner fender liners are also narrower, so I could safely guess that the area that the engine would actually sit in, would be about the same. Powerstrokes fit into the superduty obviously, and they aren't small by any means with all the crap hanging off those beasts.

I'd bet any of the older engine familes would fit just fine... with a little fabrication of mounts, ears, linkages and so forth. The engine might have to move slightly forward, or slightly back maybe?

While I don't have the measurements handy, I did at least ballpark fitting a 460 into a superduty. Not because I have a superduty, but rather I bought at a junkyard an unscatched (and complete!) front clip from a Lincoln Navigator. The idea was to remove the nose of my 93 F-series, and put that on for a "lincoln crewcab" that Lincoln should have made. But it turned out to be a lot more involved than I thought... and will require a lot of metal work to shape the new style fenders to line up with the old style cab/doors, which I'm willing to do, just not right now. I have too many other truck-related projects to deal with first before I worry about radical body modifications. So in the attic the Navigator parts are.
 

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We were able to stuff a 6BT cummins into an 89 superduty rollback. You talk about fun. Needless to say, theres no lever to open the hood and the #6 cylinder is sittin on the back side of the radio LOL.

I agree its possible, and I'd love to see it in the end. If you want the gauge cluster to work with your computer just ask Fredric b/c he is the Ford computer God. I think he secretly designed those new cars that shut off 4 cylinders when you're cruisin down the highway
 
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Shutting off cylinders you don't need.

BTW, this exists from the factory.

If you have a severe service Crown Victoria (Taxi, Police Intercepter, et al) certain years (my CVPI is a 99) you have this function but only at idle. Once the car reaches operating temperature, and you're idling for a period of time, and the AC is not on, the car will stop firing all eight cylinders. Well, at least injecting. Not sure if spark is there or not.

The EEC-V is based on an intel 8051 processor more or less, so you're welcomed to download the binary image from such an EEC, reverse compile it, and start documenting the source code.

Then, we might be able to apply it to other vehicles.

I actually intend to do this someday. However I have 200 projects to do before I can get around to it. Plus, compiling and reverse compiling is not something I'm particularly good at.
 
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 06:31 AM
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How did I know that you had plans to try this one out?! You are gonna have your F-350 gettin 28 or 30 MPG! Forget hybrids, have Fredric reprogram your EEC!
 
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