roller cam ?
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Wow, that's interesting to hear that a Windsor cam can fit into a Cleveland block. Seems like a fella could use a 5.0 HO cam and make a pretty streetable Cleveland. Maybe Tim or somebody could help me locate a source of cam bearings to use in the front of the Cleveland, something that can be honed to the right diameter.
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Originally Posted by pcmenten
Seems like a fella could use a 5.0 HO cam and make a pretty streetable Cleveland.
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Actually the #1 cam bearing is fed directly from the main oil gallery by a large passage and CAN NOT be restricted by turning the bearing etc. The #1 cam can only be restricted if you put a restrictor way down in the cross drilling to the cam. The same small hole that feeds the cam bearings off the rest of the bearings feeds oil directly to the #1 bearing AS WELL as the large hole from that 1/2" passage. In other words the #1 main is fed oil directly from TWO passages directly off the main oil gallery. The #1 cam bearing is also fed oil directly from the main oil gallery. The #1 cam bearing is fed high pressure oil and must be installed to the depth specified or it becomes a giant oil leak also. The #1 main bearing is a giant leak spot in the 335 series engine.
Tim can verify I looked that area over very carefully and I know how the oil system is plumbed at the front main.
You do not want to be honing bearings...
Tim can verify I looked that area over very carefully and I know how the oil system is plumbed at the front main.
You do not want to be honing bearings...
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and along custom grinds if you find a cam for the windsor engines you can have the cam manufactorer grind it on a cleveland core without having to come up with some custom one off hard to work with cam bearing.
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This is where I bought my HR cam.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-FORD-HYDRAUL...QQcmdZViewItem
That's item# 2949785757, if that link doesn't work.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-FORD-HYDRAUL...QQcmdZViewItem
That's item# 2949785757, if that link doesn't work.
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Originally Posted by monsterbaby
and along custom grinds if you find a cam for the windsor engines you can have the cam manufactorer grind it on a cleveland core without having to come up with some custom one off hard to work with cam bearing.
I just dug out some 5.0 HO roller lifters, H-bars, spider, and cam and 'dry fitted' it to a Cleveland block. It looks like it will all fit perfectly; the lifters stay down in the bore enough to work, the H-bars fit right, the spider will work, the cam will work with the right front bearing.
I'm on a mission to find a source for a front bearing for my Cleveland. I can remember something like this coming up before so I know it's not that hard.
Edit: I followed that link, looks interesting. Sounds like they'll grind any cam you want for $180. That particular grind has an intake duration that is similar to a 5.0 HO cam, but the LSA is 110 instead of 115.
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The spider will probably have to be shimed up. The SBF had a boss it mounted on. I put a couple of small washers on.
As far as a camshaft goes, there's enough decent cam companys that can grind what ever you want that it's not worth using the 351W core. Your 302 will be the same story #1 journal will be small, other 4 are perfect, not a bad way to prefit your application.
As far as a camshaft goes, there's enough decent cam companys that can grind what ever you want that it's not worth using the 351W core. Your 302 will be the same story #1 journal will be small, other 4 are perfect, not a bad way to prefit your application.
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Tim, the spider has two holes in it. I've heard of using those two hole to locate points to drill into the lifter valley. But I wonder if it would be better to use some of the four oil drain holes already in the lifter valley. I suppose it's a matter of what's easiest.
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Originally Posted by pcmenten
Tim, the spider has two holes in it. I've heard of using those two hole to locate points to drill into the lifter valley. But I wonder if it would be better to use some of the four oil drain holes already in the lifter valley. I suppose it's a matter of what's easiest.
I just drilled and tapped the lifter valley after grinding down some bumps that interfered with the spider.
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I haven't followed this thread that closely but here are my thoughts.
I run the smallest Crane cams hyd. roller they offer. It uses lifter links instead of a spider. These cams were developed for the 351C engine and probably had 4V heads in mind. It's a very good street performer. I was not able to use their springs because the machine shop was afraid of grinding the seat into the water chamber before getting enough installed depth. The springs from my old cam were reused and should be way to light to control the extra weight but are good to 5,500rpm with no problems. I am considering a change to Comp Cams "beehive style" springs to look for higher rpm.
My friends with 351C don't usually restrict the oil passages unless they run a solid lifter which doesn't need as much oil to the lifters.
On the Windsor cams you could change the dizzy gear and have the right mesh but I'm not sure of the geometry.
The new "composite" dizzy gears are great and last a long time on roller cam gears.
I run the smallest Crane cams hyd. roller they offer. It uses lifter links instead of a spider. These cams were developed for the 351C engine and probably had 4V heads in mind. It's a very good street performer. I was not able to use their springs because the machine shop was afraid of grinding the seat into the water chamber before getting enough installed depth. The springs from my old cam were reused and should be way to light to control the extra weight but are good to 5,500rpm with no problems. I am considering a change to Comp Cams "beehive style" springs to look for higher rpm.
My friends with 351C don't usually restrict the oil passages unless they run a solid lifter which doesn't need as much oil to the lifters.
On the Windsor cams you could change the dizzy gear and have the right mesh but I'm not sure of the geometry.
The new "composite" dizzy gears are great and last a long time on roller cam gears.
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