Doesn't it also make you curious as to where some of our newest technology popped up from all of a sudden? Take some of the things that have popped up since the 50's and 60's.

Laser technology?
Fiber optic technology?
infra red scopes (these were around in the 40's folks!) not a new invention!

just stop and wonder with me for a minute about where some of these nifty new devices came from.



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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 28-Mar-01 AT 11:14 AM (EST)[/font][p]Well Sputnik was a satellite whether you consider it one or not. It was launched into space by the Russians and orbited the earth before the US put anything up. Yuri Gagarin was the first human in space in 1961. The Russians have always had bigger, more powerful rockets than we have and they were making us look foolish in the 1960s. We all got our "rocket scientists" from the same place, Germany at the end of WW2 so it truly was a "space race".

I would have thought that debris from the landings would be visible from earth also but according to the information on the show there are no telescopes on earth which are powerful enough to see objects that small. A Japanese satellite is scheduled for launch in 2 years which will orbit the moon and take close up pictures. Maybe we'll be able to see then.

Soalr winds are not winds in the convetional sense. They are streams of energy which emanate from stellar objects such as the sun. They don't pick up dust & dirt and blow it around nor do they carry particulate matter (at least not large enough to be seen) and hammer it against planetary objects causing them to erose.

 

The moon should be made of materials competly different than what we have on earth, we have rough eged(I dought that is spelt right) and a much greater errosion. However, the moon surface has dust, right? With a 1-2million MPH wind speed there is a good chance it will pick up some of the dust, and that would errode the debris away very fast, unless it is made of a stronger material like the moons surface(your link doesn't say that it cant pick up dust). How do we know so much more about the only two planets which we have "visited" than any other planet in the solar system? For a good scientist, is there any real challenge in getting to the moon? Where all those rocket scientist from Germany equal in there skills, of course not.

Logan

 

Why would the moon be made of different materials than earth? They're both simply big hunks of material floating in space. Depending on which theory you subscribe to they came from basically the same mass of matter.

Logan you can't have it both ways. If there were a 1-2 million mph "solar wind" constantly blasting the surface of the moon how could we ever have landed there in the first place? If it were capable of picking up dust & debris then the surface of the moon would be blasted away to nothing.

The only 2 planets we have visited as in actually landed man made materials on are the Earth and Mars. The moon isn't a planet it's just a big satellite in orbit around the earth and this whole discussion revolves around whether or not we did actually land anyone there.

I would say that there is a significant challenge to anyone wanting to visit the moon. It took over 40 billion 1960s dollars to supposedly get us there in the first place and we haven't gone back since. Why not?

No the skills of the German rocket scientists undoubtedly differed. How is that germane to this discussion?

 

I didn’t see the show so I have a question. What about all the moon rocks and soil samples that were brought back. Weren’t they all analyzed and /or put on display? Wouldn’t that be enough physical evidence to prove it? How did the show explain that away?

Barry

 

Yes the "moon rocks" were studied and they are still in the posession of NASA at the Johnson Space Center. Evidently they do distribute samples for analysis. The show made no mention of the samples brought back. It focused mainly on the improbablity of our being technologically able to land and return as well as the video and photographic anomalies. Clearly the producers of the show had an agenda and stuck to it.

What I know about the lunar samples is that assuming they're real, the Earth and the moon are definitely made of basically the same material. There are no exotic unknown elements present and the majority of them seems to be strikingly similar to substances found on Earth. You can read more about "moon rocks" at:

http://www-curator.jsc.nasa.gov/curator/lunar/lunar.htm

 

From a scientist point of veiw getting to the moon is not hard, only expensive. I didn't say I could go into my backyard and launch a rocket into space even if I had the funds. We both agree there are solar winds, I have seen nothing stateing that the astronauts didn't encounter solar wind, but did that flag wave? yes, proof that they encountered wind, and perhaps planned their landing at a time when the wind was at a minimum. The moon holds istelf togother with what little gravity it has, that is how particles didn't blow off into space. I still belive there is a chance that their are substances not from earth on the moon simply because of how the moon formed, I could be wrong about this but I wouldn't dought there are odd substances on the moon. We have a lawyer of Oxygen, Nitrogen,(atmosphere) and several other atoms to from new substances with the atoms on the crust. The moon doesn't have any atmosphere to hold atoms to creat substances. I'll agree with you we have some doughts on the moon landing, but there is a bunch of evidence saying that we landed their. And the skills of scients explain how we got to the moon before the Russians.

Logan

 

Logan let me put this as succinctly as I know how, solar winds do not "blow", they don't pick up dust, they don't move flags and they don't affect spacecraft. They're basically magnetic fields which emanate from the sun. Please take a few minutes and study them before you attribute any more inaccurate characteristics to them.

If "our" scientists were so much better than "their" scientists then how come they were the first into space?

 

Yes, lets wonder where they came from. That is also about the time computers really started to do number crunching. So we can say, that computers are responsible for our advances? But wait! Since computers are in that time frame they must be a gift from above.

But seriously; We went through a major leap. You have the stone age, the bronze age and the copper age in human history. Maybe at some point they will assign this as the computer age.



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I think that is one of the general problems right now. Everyone is relying on computers for everything. Math, Science, and all that. I think what's going to end up happening is that people will being to rely too much on computers......

I realy think that some of the things that have popped up over the last 50 years, have mysterious origins. I bet that if everyone really sat down and started thinking about it, that the answer would become clear to them. (and unfortunately I don't have the answer yet.)



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I don't think is that mysterious. You could point to the first nuke being tested and the first plane to fly as being a totally new way of thinking. Once you have that many minds working on a project, you will get results.

You look back through history and it is full of "One time events". Right time, Right place, Right person. Once we crossed the threshold (And I'm not sure which event can be labled as the threshold. Electricty maybe?) then you have taking place what we have now. If we were not capable of producing new technology, being exposed to new stuff wouldn't be the catalyst. Example: Present a 2001 truck to a person from the 15 century and do not tell them what is or what is does (leave keys in ignition). They more than likely would never start it. They might marvel at the glass and maybe strip the steel panels off. But it would not trigger a technologicol breakthrough. It's taken us a little over 4000 years to get to this point. And most of it has occured during the last 100. But the first 3900 were pretty important and enabled us to be where we are now. Knowledge builds upon itself.

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Of course, the same thing was thought about gun powder too.

But what I was getting at is the things that have just mysteriously popped up all of a sudden. Also, look how many of those were being used by our government before anyone brought them public. Laser technology, infrared, night vision just to name a few.


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Hotrodford_88, You're right about some people relying too much on computers. Ever go into a store when the cash register is down? Some people can't make change without a computer!
Some additional things that "popped up" suddenly...
DNA
Cloning
Micro chip circuits.

Just another possibility on the moon rocks......They could have fell to earth years ago. Scientist have found rocks from Mars here on Earth.
Kenny

 

One thing you have to understand about technology is that a lot of the time, thing only seem extremely complicated. All of todays microcircuitry is based on semiconductors, which got their start in the early 1900's, not too long after basic vacum-tube technology began to become widespread. For decades, vacum-tubes were in everything electronic, and all the while semicondutors were being developed. Once semicondutors began to be used all of the big manufacturers got in on the development, because of the obvious profit potential. This mass develoment is what led to such a quick progression to today's electronic technology.

 

That sounds like a sensible explanation to me.
Kenny