did anyone read the latest motortrend half ton shootout as a past f150 owner i drive a05 f250 i wasvery disappointed in the performance of the f150 to get beaten by the smaller toyota motor is a disappointment i am thinking about buying a new f150 for the wife but ford better wake up the f150 is a slug

 

Depends what you want the truck for. The toyota is more nimble and lighter on it's feet, whereas the F150 is a tank and feels like it. The F150's are built to do things, not just accept 28" wheels and pitch black window tint.

I'm satisfied with the performance of my 5.4L Screw. Now, i agree that the 5.4L should definitely be pushing more ooomph, as we all know they can uncork this bad boy a bit more, but more people would complain about gas mileage then.

 

I don't remember what the weight difference is between the F-150 vs. a Titan or a Tundra, but it's significant. I wanted a truck that I throw just about anything at it, so I bought the Ford. Yeah, I could buy either of the imports if I want speed, but I didn't buy mine for speed; I bought mine to be worked. I'm still waiting on Nissan and some of its suppliers to improve on its issues on the Titan, and I work for one of the suppliers.

 

if you want a race truck, go buy a lightning or put a blower on it.as for power ,it seems ok to me.i pulled a 9000lb. back hoe last week with no problems.i bet the toy couldn't do that. it's all in what you need it to do.

 

You guys are obviously justifying how slow it is by it's other strengths, which is fine, but misplaced. This guy didn't ask about how well it tows or how comfortable it is, or how well it performs at crashing through brick walls.

I guarantee you, that ford's next f150 will be lighter and faster. They went overboard this time and they know it.

 

The real argument is about buying philosophy.

It's like the arguments between the F-250 and F-150. Sure you can debate the difference for your use, but you can not compare them straight across.
The fights come up when the apple and orange arguments are made.

Don't forget the price difference. My truck set me back 8k less than the lowest Nissan or Toyota that I have seen then or since.

When discussing the various models, never forget the true price differences.

Don't do the reviewers nonsense of comparing ASKING prices.
That's a joke.
The actual sales price of a Saturn is the asking price.
The actual sale price of a Toyota tends to be asking.
The actual sale price of a Nissan tends to be 5% under asking.
The actual sales price of a Ford tends to be 25% under asking.
I paid 46% under asking. Find me a deal like that on a Nissan or Toyota.

Each of these cases is on new, with dealer incentives, rebates, and sales of all sorts and bargaining.

NO REVIWER ever takes that into account.
A few, like Edmunds mention it, then go on to compare things at asking, not selling.
In other words, they admit in the review that the review is nonsense.

Most comparisons are like that, I'm afraid.

And also, stop with the faster and fast nonsense. Not one poster has ever seen how fast these trucks will go. I stopped my small engine truck at 125 but there was plenty left. I have no doubt some of the 5.4 trucks can hit 135.

The argument is about how quick they are. And if you change gears, you would find that a stock 4.10 5.4 f-150 can keep up nicely with the stock Titan.
And with a minimum of 4,000 (usually 7,000) more for the Titan, that gives you a bit for power mods, if that’s what you want.

Now on various deluxe F-150 models, no they are not as quick. But find me a deluxe comfortable Titan.

I do envy the 5 speed tranny (which is why they are quicker) but I wouldn't pay 4000 bucks for it... or in actual case, a similar truck to mine was 22,000. I bought mine at 12,995. Just no comparison.
Chris

 

I for one don't want a lighter truck. I want a real tough truck that can work hard and keep me safe and that's what I got with the F150. 0-60 in 9.3 seconds. That's pretty fast.

 

Everything is relative.

In 1981 I bought a new vette. Quickest thing you could buy with an automatic A/C etc.

It went zero to 60 in 9.2 seconds...

Weird isn't it? Nowadays that's a huge pickup truck...

 

This is an odd arguement...

I wouldn't buy a new Mustang GT and then complain about it's lack of towing capacity or cargo space, and try to justify those shortcomings by saying, "well, at least it's pretty fast". Vehicles are purpose built, bottom line.
It's like buying "all-season" tires. Sure, they will perform O.K. in all types of weather, but will not be superb in any. You buy a truck for the work it can do, you buy a sports car for the speed, quickness, handling, etc. Never the 2 should meet. Except we get the Lightnings, Chevy SS, Dodge SRT-xx, whatever... They are fast for trucks, but not that fast, but I don't see anyone using a Lightning to haul farm equipment.

 

I agree Onespeed, this is a strange discussion. The proponents for the lighter, "quicker" import trucks make it sound like they are running sub-6 second 0-60 times and are carving up mountain switchbacks with Porsche Boxsters. The Chevy SS is quick, but has low ground clearance and i believe, full time awd. The Dodge SRT-10 thingy is a beast, but gets THE WORST gas mileage of any vehicle on the road, the Lightning, although quick and nimble, is 2WD only.

And we are not making excuses for the F150's shortcomings. Mine is not slow. I've owned fast cars in my days, and this is no rocket. But to call a vehicle that weighs this much and can skoot to 60 in under 9 seconds slow, I'd say that comment was "misplaced".

 

Ease up. Fact is, comparing the F150 to other trucks in it's "class" is still apples to oranges. I'm sure it's unrealistic to expect it to beat all the trucks in all the categories (Titan comes closer to doing such, with lower MSRP, not counting the fact that Ford has to follow GMs sales rebates just to move em off the lot.)

The F150 is slower than its counterparts, that's a fact. And I'm disappointed in that. Gas mileage also sucks more than others. (Don't waste your breath comparing EPA ratings either). Was it enough to send me to a Nissan dealer? No. But it's a big sales factor, and Ford is losing sales because of it (and winning sales for other reasons mentioned in this thread.)

So, it's a big, heavy, slow, comfortable truck. So what is there to argue? You guys drag these subjects off topic with such regularity.


Oh yeah, 81 vettes are slow by any measure. I watched one lose to a Yukon at the dragstrip. Speed is relative, to some extent.. .but 9 sec 0-60? LOL, no. All 81 domestics were slow as ****. And that was well known in 1981.

 

You are comparing MSRP which is not what trucks (or cars) sell for.
It's a game.
People who buy Fords, Dodges and Chevys expect to pay way under suggested price.
People who buy imports expect to pay closer.
So to compare the MSRP to actual sales price is to misstate it.
That's like the bogus Saturn to other small cars. You only pay list for Saturn...


No it isn't, look up their times. Some Fords are slower than some Dodges, some Chevys etc. A sweeping statement is false.
You are 'cherry picking' your argument.
Dodge makes one very fast truck, some medium fast, and a boat load of slow ones.
If racing is your thing, trucks are a poor choice.


You see a figure that says one model can beat the other by a half second in the quarter, and then you pronounce one FAST and the other SLOW. That comes under the heading of propaganda.

No they were not, in 1981. Your statement is wrong. In 1981 they were the quickest major production car on the road.

You are comparing it to cars built twenty five years later.

Compared to its contemporaries, they were quite fast. The 9.2 figure is from Car and Driver. The 9.3 is from Road and Track.

I modified mine and it was substantially faster, of course.

I have seen a Volkswagen do a wheelie the length of Pomona Dragstrip.

I have personally driven a 68 Datsun pickup that would break 150 on the El Mirage lake bed with ease.

I have owned a 56 Austin Healy (back in 1978) that would break 160 on the same lake bed. (For those who wonder, it had a small block and a Muncie).

None of which has to do with stock vehicles on the road.
So the comparison is silly.

 

Well, I've personally driven 148mph, whupdiddydoo. Cars were much faster in '72 than '80. Late 70s, early 80s, we saw our car makers detuning their engines to be intentionally SLOWER and more efficient. It's not as if they were as fast as the then current technology allowed. Everything was slow because of the cause and effect of the oil embargo. But people justified it with, "well, at least I won't go broke paying for gas." Keep in mind, in 1981, there weren't just a bunch of 81 vehicles on the road. They shared the road with lots of used cars in stock trim capable beating the pants of any of the 81 "sports" cars. The european manufacturers were also spanking us in '81 at the same price tag. That's the same era the Japanese caught us with our pants down and started taking from our market share with their own concoctions.

I don't care what the 4.2L and the economy truck motor options are capable of hp wise, that shouldn't be the consideration here. People buying those then complaining about power and not having bolton superchargers available just don't make any sense. Saying my fullsize V6 pickup is faster than your fullsize V6 pickup doesn't mean much either. I think if Ford offered a stronger powerplant, it would sell like hotcakes, doesn't need to be s/c, but I think we'll be seeing Ford do some tweaking done to the current 24V to keep up with the Joneses.

Are mustang cobra owners excusing the fact that their cars are slower than the C5 Vette because theirs are cheaper? Maybe, but at the end of the day, excuses don't bring home the trophy. If performance isn't important to you, don't post in performance threads.

 

I love my F150.....nuf said!

 

Well, let's look at the word "performance"...
In this thread, the word performance is being used to describe the straight line speed of the F-150 compared to other brand's trucks. Performance can also be used when talking about towing, hauling, climbing, mudding, etc.

Everyone seems to be comparing the F-150 to the Titan, and the Titan is a superb truck in every way. However, you bought an F-150. Could it be faster, sure. But if you wanted to go faster you should have considered that before purchasing a 7000lb truck. If you wanted to haul a 6000lb trailer you wouldn't have purchased a Cobra, would you?

Performance is important to me, I don't want a truck that is dangerous when pulling onto a freeway, however I don't really care if BillyBob's Titan is .4 seconds faster than me in a 1/4 mile. If I wanted to drag race I will go buy a 1990 Mustang 5.0l LX notchback!

I though the whole purpose behind these forums was to discuss, debate and dispell ideas someone may have about an issue, and to share ideas and concerns. Well, your concerns are noted about the straightline speed "performance" of the F-150.

It seems to me that you feel that if someone doesn't agree with you then they aren't allowed to post in a topic you have posted in. That's BS!!! We can agree to disagree on this topic, but I will post my opinion in any thread I see fit, and so will everyone else on this website.