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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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hey im getting fake duals i guess you would call um(one pipe splitting into 2)_ and i want it to be as loud as it can be. as of know im just gonna run straight pipes but it has 4 cats on it. and the exhaust guy said he cant take um off first becuase its illegal and second it would run real ****ttttty. but other people have told me i can remover one? idk but i just want it to be a real nice low ton loud sound. sop soes anyone know the answers to any of these questions and also how loud wil it be (5.4L)?
 
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Old Sep 15, 2005 | 09:15 PM
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Any cat AFTER the O2s will not cause a problem if they are removed. Any cat before the O2s will cause a CEL, unless you install MIL eliminators to fool them.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 12:50 AM
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so if i take the cats off it wont affect my perf or make it run ****ty. because there is an o2 sensor after the 2 cats on each side of the exaust
 
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 04:20 AM
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Dual it out after the cats... Use something like this: http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/s...ne=main&id=854
 
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 10:00 PM
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but i want it to be really loud and i dont want to spend that much money on a little peice of pipe. the exhaust shops doin it
 
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Old Sep 16, 2005 | 10:03 PM
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so if i take the cats off it wont affect my perf or make it run ****ty. because there is an o2 sensor after the 2 cats on each side of the exaust
Well then if you take those cats off, they will probably trip a CEL without MIL eliminators.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 12:09 AM
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so if i take the cats off and get an mil eliminator it will run the same but just with no cats and be louder
 
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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 10:50 AM
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yup. Gotta fake 'em out.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 01:16 PM
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The engine's computer (PCM) uses information from the pre-catalytic convertor oxygen sensors to determine rich/lean fuel trim values. The post-catalyst sensors' only function is to monitor the efficiency of the catalytic convertors. This is OBD2 mandated. If the catalytic convertors are removed, the post-catalytic sensors will mimic the pre-cat sensor readings and the check engine light will come on due to a perceived efficiency problem with the cats.

MIL eliminators are installed to send the PCM a voltage reading that would mirror a 'healthy' catalytic convertor. This would be in the 350-550 millivolt range and fluctuate between those voltages slowly.

There is no harm in removing the cats (besides emissions,duh) that will cause a driveability issue. The CEL will come on, but you can always use it as a backlight for a family picture or something.

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Old Sep 17, 2005 | 02:54 PM
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ok so just the first o2 sensor adjusts the pcm so everything after that can be gone and all i would need is a mil eliminator for the last 2 o2 sensors
 
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Old Sep 21, 2005 | 04:21 PM
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ok so you think straight exhaust will be loud with the cats on there, and if so is it noticable at idle
 
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Old Sep 23, 2005 | 07:36 AM
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I think you'd get an OK tone from the exhaust if you left the cats. Obviously it's not going to be super-loud. However you have to think that if you have no catalytic convertors and no mufflers, just pipe, you're going to be lucky if you get a decent tone from the exhaust. Chances are without any kind of resonating device, all you'll get is a nasty "blatty" tone and a real crappy sound at idle.


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Old Sep 23, 2005 | 11:11 PM
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straight pipe doesnt sound good.. believe me. Its all loud, but thats it. I've heard expo's with a single FM40 and dualed out the back. It sounded good. Still had cats on.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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Cool Ill Prob Just Leave The Cats On For A While, And When I Get My Diablo Sprt Tuner Cant I Turn The O2 Sensors Off?
 
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