fact is,your gonna get smoked really bad-hate to be the realist here but i too own a ford-(ford is all ive owned in the last ten years-cause theyre cheaper,and i just beat em up anyway) -fact is ford dosent make a truck to the same specs and capabilities as does chevrolet. i know ill take some heat on this but oh well -i aint gonna sugar coat nothin for a bunch of dudes i dont even know who obviously dont know what theyre talkin about

 

the fact is it doesnt matter what brand of trucks are hooked together. the heavier the better. next the truck with the chain hooked higher will have the advantage. besides, they wouldnt be doing this if they have ever seen an ez lift come off the frame and through the back window. this is stupid in my opinion. proves nothing and is very dangerious.

 

It is stupid and he sounds quite stupid. Sure as a day is long, I wouldn't loan my new truck to a stupid person to do something so juvenile.

 

Well, I've got a Ford and a GM truck. The Ford has lasted for 30 years. I bought the GMC 4 years ago and if it lasts 1/2 has long as the Ford I'll be happy. Why did I buy a Gm? Because new Fords are ugly an I ain't drivin no ugly truck.

 

Anybody ever hear how the benchrace I mean the bench pull turned out? Where'd he wake up?

 

I don't think its possible to measure anything by pulling it apart because then its wrecked. According to an independent test the new ford 6.0 out-pulled and out-accelerated the GM 6.6 duramax Isuzu and the Dodge 5.9 HO ford owned and manufactured Cummins. The 5.9 is an ancient inefficient engine, The 6.6 is a better designed engine than the 6.0, but that doesn't mean that it is better, it is quiet and efficient and makes decent power and that Allison tranny is drool worthy, I got a buddy with the 3500 6.6 Allison 5 speed auto it pulls like a dream but it winds extremely tight when towing anything above 50mph, My dads 6.0L F350 CC King Ranch 4x2 pulls way better and has the 6 speed so it has an extra gear for the top end when not towing. It is a faster truck, and can you really beat a King Ranch option package, wow this is a beautiful truck inside and out and it has the ***** to back it up.

 

ford owned and manufactured Cummins.

Ford does not in any way own or manufacture Cummins engines. They only had a little stock in them at one time and that's been sold a while back.

As far as a challenge, I believe you would be hard-pressed to find a satisfied Duramax owner. Around here they pay a lot of visits back to the dealerships for engine failures, loss in compression, and other handicaps.

 

Ford IN NO WAY owns Cummins...lol.
Like 250 said -at one time they had a bit of stock-obviously this was a rumor started by a bunch of biased Ford owners-who I suspect were trying to make a point that the PSD is the better engine -by the "fact" that Ford dosent use the Cummins that they "own" in their SD trucks...lol.
HELL-they don't even own the PSD...lol.

As far as efficiency goes, the Cummins will do everything the PSD will do-with 6 cylinders -and do it ALOT longer! It's not as fast ,I'll give you that-but who buy's a diesel for speed anyway?

And if the Cummins is such a crummy engine,why does Ford use it in their F-650-750's?

The PSD IS a very good engine(7.3) as far as the 6.0 goes-I don't know yet-but neither is equal to the Cummins...lol

regards.

 

I saw a fleet truck the otherday that was a F-250 with a Cummins badge on it.
I heard that you could get a Ford with the Cummins in it,I told my brother-in-law about it(because he was in the market for a new Ford)

He checked into it,and said it was a $3000.00 option over the 7.3
so he got the 7.3

zip63

 

You are talking about two different Cummins engines (I think) the *available* Cummins engine in the F650 and F750 is the famous T444E I6 used in 80,000lb freightshakers. That particular Cummins is stronger than any other diesel out there. We have a couple Volvo trucks that have this 444. Navistar also has a 444 and a 466. I have never heard of an available cummins in the F250 ever. I could definetly ask the cummins dealer here about ford putting them in. But he would say that he would order the truck from Ford minus the engine and transmission and put one in for $1500 and it would be the 5.9L I6 used in dodge trucks.

 

I'm not going to beat you up about this or get too cocky with the "lol",because I think you definately mean well-but you are wrong bro.
The Cummins engine thats used in the F-650-750 IS in fact the SAME engine used in the Dodge pickup trucks.
THE difference between them is the model number designations(the Dodge uses the ILS-B,whereas the 650-750 uses the ILS-C(I believe).
The real difference between them is that the same engine used in the Dodge has been tamed down quite a bit, as the stock C version is WAY too powerful and torquey for the rest of the Ram pickups drivetrain to handle(as it is the Dodge auto's can't really handle the torque).

ILS6B=460 ft lb...ILS6B H.O.=555 ft lb...ILS6C=775 ft lb.

This is a serious MEDIUM DUTY engine - it's first expected overhaul is rated at 300,000 miles- in 26,000 lb GVWR applications!

The T-444-E engine you describe is manufactured by International/Navistar.
The PSD is in fact a T-444-E,produced by Navistar to Ford's light duty specifications(light duty in comparision to med duty)
It's a good engine that is used by International as their "entry level" med duty truck engine.
It's good,but cannot be compared to the Cummins.

The best way to see this is to imagine it in the way of the F-150.
The PSD in a med duty would be like the base 4.2L in the 150-
Whereas the cummins and cat motors would be an upgrade like the 5.4L in the 150.

Regards.

 

Those were my best guesses but alas there is a cummins 444 I6 we have them in our Volvo trucks, they make some awesome power and are more powerful than the t444e made by Navistar we have those as well. How long has ford owned Navistar?

 

as a diesel mech i can tell u that the cummins ntc 444 is not even close to the navistar t444e. the t444e is a 444ci engine and the cummins ntc 444 is 855 ci. u cant even compare them. the service life of the cummins 5.9 is quite a bit better than the t444e. i have worked on both. from what i have seen the cummins has far less major failures than the powerstroke. i have seen both fail though. also having owning both brands i can tell you the cummins in stock form will pull just as good as a powerstroke if not better. milage is also far better than a powerstroke. oh yea i almost forgot, ford does not own cummins. at one time they owned a small amount of stock in the company but i dont think they even have that anymore.

 

You can do a Cummins repower in a F-250 or F-350. That engine is the same one that's in the Dodges IS6-B, and along with that, you could put an Allison auto in too with that engine. I have seen several older F-350's with these combos in them, but as a Repower, only. Not factory options. That Cummins badge you were referring to was just probably a way of stating that the truck had been repowered with a Cummins.

 

The c series engine is similar to the B series engine but not the same. It is a larger displacement engine. It also produces more HP. It has been available in the F 650 and up for serveral years. There is no way that you could put a Cummins 444 in a pickup. Just the engine weighs more than the truck.