As far as a Dodge/ Cummins goes, as someone once said on these forums:

"Why would ANYONE put a million-mile motor in a 100,000-mile truck with a 50,000-mile transmission?"

 

I'll bet most of the parts on these trucks are made in Mexico.

 

Polarbear- I can't understand why people buy cars at auctions, then complain that it's a piece of junk. What do they expect? Just like you said, when a dealer takes a trade, they will inspect it. If they even suspect that it has problems, it's gone. And, in many cases, these cars/trucks are sold in lots. Where do they go.....to auctions or used car dealers. New car dealers just don't want to be bothered with customers bringing back junk that they need to fix, or the liability if there is a safety issue. So that "good deal" at the auction may not be so good after all.

 

Amen!

The 6.9L and 7.3 IDI, 7.3 IDI Turbo, and 7.3 PowerStroke are all Designs of International Truck/Navistar. I don't know for sure about the 6.0L.

The noise you hear isn't the engine, it's the truck rattling around it. By far, Ford has the beter chassis. I just wish they either A) still had the old 7.3L Powerstroke, or B) had the Cummins. Also, for the record, the old square Dodges were better built, just crude. The Square (pre 1994) Dodges with a Cummins would be alright.

Untill the Duramax, GM did build their own Diesels. The 6.2/6.5 Family was designed and built in house, with help from then GM owned Detroit Diesel.

 

you must be refferring to the old ones. from 03-on the cummins are quieter than the psd and about equal with the dmax. the first time i heard one i thought it was just a really loud gas motor. i personally don't like them. if i had a cummins, i would want one of the earlier louder ones where you can actually hear the engine. it just doesn't go well with the rhythym. the dmax and psd don't sound that bad quieter, but i would still rather they be louder. i like my diesels loud. there just is something not right about the cummins being that quiet.

 

With all due respect, the vehicles that are at an auction are usually there for a reason...

I agree though that the cummins is a better overall engine, but the powerstroke is no junker.

 

Because they can

 

You beat me to that comment BigGun!!!! and it is so true.

I have been a Ford man all my life, though I did have a few memory lapses or is that called brain farts. I did screw up and buy a "Chubby Imp" ala. It's name fit it well. It was a demon, not running wise, just loved the dealership more than me. That is where it was garaged most of the time.

I also worked at a Chrysler/Plymouth dealership in the '70's. If you saw what I saw come through the doors at times, you would back up and yell, "No, No, No!" From my latest trip there, they still look the same, just new skins. Would not have one and if one given to me, I would trade it off and take the beating (loss of value, I know how can you lose value on something that has no value ) on buying a new PS.

 

Guys,

As far as Dodge having a million mile engine...blah, blah... Let me first say that I own a 2001 Ford F250SD AND a 2005Dodge 2500w/ Cummins. Both are good trucks. Both are tough, probably tougher than I need... and I like that.

My observances are;

The Dodge rides alittle better than the older Ford. It should with newer technology.
The Ford seems to have a stronger chassis/suspension. Not smoother, just tougher and more crude. IMHO
The Cummins in my Dodge is simply incredible as far as pulling/durability/economy is concerned.
As for durability of my 48re trans in the dodge, I'd say it's way better than average. From what I've read, chevy and ford are having more issues with their new transmissions than Dodge is having. I know the others are more gears but thats not what we're discussing here. Durability with Dodges trans is a thing of the past. I don't know anyone who has had a problem with the new trans in the Dodge. Very few probs at all actually.
As for the rest of Dodges quality/body/etc. I think they are better than average now (3rdgens) I know quite a few that have several hundred thousand miles on them already and look showroom and ride like it as well.
I don't see how you can bash the Dodge. I wouldn't bash my Ford, I just don't want the 6.0. I'd love to swap a Cummins into my Ford not because I like the Ford any more or less, just because I love to do stuff like that and it'd be way cool to pop the hood and see that big ole' inline 6 and not all that complicated v8 diesel stuff that Ford currently has.
I think alot of guys here need to understand that Dodge puts out a good rig with good torque. Period. Not so hard to admit it.

 

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I don't know, but if they didn't a lot of us parts and service guys would be out of work. That's actually the best Dodge summary I've ever heard.

Maybe the new Dodge transmissions are better. BUT, how many people have they scared away with the old transmissions and will NEVER own another Dodge automatic (I won't own one the first time).

If the PSD is such a bad engine, why are there so many International trucks running around with the T444E with WELL over 500k on them, with no major repairs?? Also keep in mind that these trucks are pulling around a lot more weight than the PSDs in our trucks.

Also, someone made the comment about not being sure on who makes the 6.0. I'm 99% sure it's another International, as will the new 6.4.

ok, I'm done ranting now.........

 

Re: who makes the 6.0, and who will make the 6.4...
Correct in both regards.

 

I like the new, quieter diesels. Speaking of which, I noticed that no one has talked about the Duramax motor. Now there's a quiet diesel. More than once a Chevy Duramax has snuck up behind me (within 25 feet) whereas you can hear the new PSD coming from way down the street. The Cummin is quiet too, but not like the Duramax. I'm not sure how smooth the D-Max is as I've never driven one, but the silence and the Allison trans does pique my interest. Just my observation...

 

The only 6.0l I have driven (or seen) was an 03 that had the old pre-injection.
Was near silent for a diesel.

 

The Powerstroke is a close cousin to the VT-365 international .