King Pin Removal Questions
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King Pin Removal Questions
Today I realized that I need to replace my right king pin on my 1948 F-1. So I searched here to see what is involved. So my understanding is to drive king pin out with a hammer and punch (With the king pin key removed). Then do I need to get my spindles reamed? Then reverse the process to put new king pins in. So is this pretty much it? If not please tell me. I have the basic understanding because my dad did it on his Model A Sedan.
Thanks for the help,
hotrod48
Thanks for the help,
hotrod48
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I have been having hell doing mine - yes it is simple to drive the pin out, and to remove the bushings in the spindles. New bushings should be pressed in, and there is a roller bearing on the bottom of the axle that should be replaced. It is a simple matter then to press the new king pin into the axle.
And the books all claim that you need to ream the things - except they have been reaming me. I have replaced the kingpins on a 72, and a 66 with no problems - but this 59 is giving me fits. Those kits had nylon bushings, this one has bronze.
I now suspect that the kit I bought came with oversized bushings - and the king pin will never install.
I have the axle off the truck and am taking the entire mess to a machine shop to see what I am doing wrong. Before this happened I would have told you that it is a simple Saturday job -
Hopefully someone with more knowledge will come along and tell us both what we need to know.
Sorry if I am hijacking your thread, but I am totally flustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the books all claim that you need to ream the things - except they have been reaming me. I have replaced the kingpins on a 72, and a 66 with no problems - but this 59 is giving me fits. Those kits had nylon bushings, this one has bronze.
I now suspect that the kit I bought came with oversized bushings - and the king pin will never install.
I have the axle off the truck and am taking the entire mess to a machine shop to see what I am doing wrong. Before this happened I would have told you that it is a simple Saturday job -
Hopefully someone with more knowledge will come along and tell us both what we need to know.
Sorry if I am hijacking your thread, but I am totally flustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The bushing are oversized when you get them. The bushings need to be reamed to fit the King Pin. I bought a reamer and used a ratchet to turn the reamer to ream the bushing, it worked fin. The king pin was a snug fit I had to tap it in with a rubber makket.
Originally Posted by WillyB
I have been having hell doing mine - yes it is simple to drive the pin out, and to remove the bushings in the spindles. New bushings should be pressed in, and there is a roller bearing on the bottom of the axle that should be replaced. It is a simple matter then to press the new king pin into the axle.
And the books all claim that you need to ream the things - except they have been reaming me. I have replaced the kingpins on a 72, and a 66 with no problems - but this 59 is giving me fits. Those kits had nylon bushings, this one has bronze.
I now suspect that the kit I bought came with oversized bushings - and the king pin will never install.
I have the axle off the truck and am taking the entire mess to a machine shop to see what I am doing wrong. Before this happened I would have told you that it is a simple Saturday job -
Hopefully someone with more knowledge will come along and tell us both what we need to know.
Sorry if I am hijacking your thread, but I am totally flustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the books all claim that you need to ream the things - except they have been reaming me. I have replaced the kingpins on a 72, and a 66 with no problems - but this 59 is giving me fits. Those kits had nylon bushings, this one has bronze.
I now suspect that the kit I bought came with oversized bushings - and the king pin will never install.
I have the axle off the truck and am taking the entire mess to a machine shop to see what I am doing wrong. Before this happened I would have told you that it is a simple Saturday job -
Hopefully someone with more knowledge will come along and tell us both what we need to know.
Sorry if I am hijacking your thread, but I am totally flustrated!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Howdy Y'all,
This is one of those "been there, done that and got the tee-shirt to prove it!" things!
I did this a few months ago with my F-600.
1. You can buy the king pin kit from NAPA and others. It comes from Rare Parts.
http://www.rareparts.com/ They will not sell retail.
It comes with all the "stuff"
btw, those shims go above the axle..<6.-...they shim the up/down slop in the steering spindle. I ended up with 3 shims in each side. All the front end wieght is carried by the king pin thrust bearings.
I also ended up taking my axle to a front end shop to get it and the bushings reamed. It's like line boring an engine. You need to use a precision hone to do it. This place had a Sunnen hone especially made for reaming axles and bushings AND I had to get 0.010 over sized kingpins and bushings because mine were a little egg shaped. (I found this out AFTER I already bought a standard sized kingpin kit and to take it back!... Napa wasn't happy to take it back either.)
The front end shop (American Frame & Axle, Kent, WA) Charged me about $175 for the whole job including the parts. It was well worth it! Everything went back together and it steers just fine now. (the steering box probably needs to be adjusted though).
Regards,
./Rick
This is one of those "been there, done that and got the tee-shirt to prove it!" things!
I did this a few months ago with my F-600.
1. You can buy the king pin kit from NAPA and others. It comes from Rare Parts.
http://www.rareparts.com/ They will not sell retail.
It comes with all the "stuff"
btw, those shims go above the axle..<6.-...they shim the up/down slop in the steering spindle. I ended up with 3 shims in each side. All the front end wieght is carried by the king pin thrust bearings.
I also ended up taking my axle to a front end shop to get it and the bushings reamed. It's like line boring an engine. You need to use a precision hone to do it. This place had a Sunnen hone especially made for reaming axles and bushings AND I had to get 0.010 over sized kingpins and bushings because mine were a little egg shaped. (I found this out AFTER I already bought a standard sized kingpin kit and to take it back!... Napa wasn't happy to take it back either.)
The front end shop (American Frame & Axle, Kent, WA) Charged me about $175 for the whole job including the parts. It was well worth it! Everything went back together and it steers just fine now. (the steering box probably needs to be adjusted though).
Regards,
./Rick
Originally Posted by Goobzilla
Semi-hijack here:
Where exactly are the thin metal shims in the kit supposed to go? No mention of them in the factory manual.
Ron
Where exactly are the thin metal shims in the kit supposed to go? No mention of them in the factory manual.
Ron
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The Napa people should be able to find it. You can also go to an alignment shop and they can order it for you too. They can also ream the new bushings after you install them or they can do the whole job for you. It's not that expensive if you remove the axle and take it to them.
You really need to determine if you might need oversize pins before you order them though. I made that mistake. I ordered a kingpin kit not knowing I really needed a 0.010 oversize kit. I ended up taking it back and getting the oversize kit after the fact!
You really need to determine if you might need oversize pins before you order them though. I made that mistake. I ordered a kingpin kit not knowing I really needed a 0.010 oversize kit. I ended up taking it back and getting the oversize kit after the fact!
Originally Posted by hotrod48
Does anyone happen to know the part number for king pins from NAPA for my 1948 F-1? I figured this would help the NAPA people out.
Thanks,
hotrod48
Thanks,
hotrod48
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I used to rebuild straight axles for air port equipment and whenever our supplier would run out of the cheap kits with the bushings that need reamed we would get the next step up with brass bushings that didn't need to be reamed. They pressed in like the standard brass bushings but had a perfect fit every time. They were dimpled inside and had some type coating inside but I just can't remember what they are called. I'm gonna hafta dig up some old associates and see if they remember who the supplier was. Does anyone know the diameter of the king pins?
Jeff
Jeff