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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 12:18 PM
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Axle I.D.

Ok, I've been tryin to i.d. my axles and remembered most of my catalogs. Looked in my summit and by the looks of the gasket shape i might have dana 60's in front and back. I've been told danas are good but don't recall which one is the better. Couldn't find a number on front axle yet, but on the rear axle housing I found the numbers ' 229-77 ' stamped on the top. Pretty sure those are the correct numbers, just scraped away the mud. Still have to powerwash the sucker today. Do these numbers help i.d. my axle or is it just a dead end?

In any case this weekend I'm doing my tune up and will be able to pull the covers off and look for a number on ratio's. I see 4.10 - 5.13 ratios on here, would the highest be best for off road?

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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 12:32 PM
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what is the truck? if the axles are factory, i would say they probably have 4.10's if they are 60's front and rear, but might have 3.54's.
http://www.wilsons4x4.com/oldcatalog/axinfo.htm
try that out, you will notice that dana 44's and dana 60's have the same gasket shape, but different size. A dana 60 front is what alot of people strive for, so if you have it, keep it.
 
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Old Jul 28, 2005 | 11:52 PM
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Wow, that helps a lot stroker, thanks. It's a '75 f150 on either a 250 frame or just 3/4 suspension. Still tryin to figure that one out. The front does seem a little smaller. That bump on the cover to the left of center is also a lil different than the rear one.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2005 | 12:27 AM
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It could be a 250 with a 150 cab, i have seen that alot. If its a 250 and a 75, its a 60 rear and a 44 front, but a Heavy duty 44.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2005 | 12:56 AM
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What do the knuckle look like? If it uses balljoints its going to be a dana 44, and if its kingpins it should be a dana 60, and this is if the front axle is ffrom a ford (dana 60's did have balljoints and currently use balljoints in the new truck, but they didn't switch to balljoints till around 92, and those axles won't fit under you frame unless modified a bit.
 
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Old Jul 29, 2005 | 06:02 AM
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Ok, sorry you're gonna have to bare with me. I've never heard of a kingpin, and ball joints bring control arms/coils into my mind. Forgot to mention that its been fabbed with leafs up front. I'm gonna try hard to get this camera today so I can get some pics while workin on it and post em up. Sucks when I don't know that much and can't be more descriptive.

Thanks again guys
 
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Old Jul 29, 2005 | 08:59 AM
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ok stock f150's came with D44's up front. no question their. the rears were optional and different years came with different axles. now F250 front axles were D44 HD... basically meaning they had 8 lug hubs and dual piston calipers. i dont think their was much other difference other than maybe u-joint size. now 1 tons came with D60 front and they are very easy to tell apart if you put them sie by side but can sometimes be hard to differentiate. the part i tell people to look at is the hubs b/c they are easiest to see and can very easy be spotted. if the hubs (where the lockouts screw onto) are like a straight piece of pipe, meaning you could put a straight edge on it then you wouldn't see any light on either end then its a D44. BUT if their is light or the hub casing seems rounded or buldged out some then thats a D60. trust me, you will know exactly what i mean if you go find a stock F350 and look at it.

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Old Jul 29, 2005 | 11:44 AM
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Spot on. Fishy. But wouldn't a 75 F250 still have drums and a low pinion? I thought they changed over in like 77-1/2. I could be wrong. But if it's been hacked on, there's no telling what could be in there.

Like Stroker said, someone could have changes the cab/fenders, too. I did that, and still get tons of stupid comments from people thinking my truck is a 150. I think we need pictures.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 12:45 AM
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Yep you got it 77.5' was when the dana 60 went to open knuckle and discs, but they were still low pinion for about 6-8 months and also the axles were the same size of that of the dana 44. Then in 78 they switched to high pinion dana 60.

here's a picture of a one ton axle (dana 60):

 
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 06:36 AM
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Wow, that helps a lot stroker, thanks. It's a '75 f150 on either a 250 frame or just 3/4 suspension. Still tryin to figure that one out. The front does seem a little smaller. That bump on the cover to the left of center is also a lil different than the rear one.
is it an extended cab? if so, that could be why it's on leafs.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 10:26 PM
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Got some answers to my questions and got some new problems/questions. First, got the camera today and took a lot of pics. Hopefully be on disc tomorrow or next day but who knows. I got my hands on a haynes manual and finally found the tag locations on axle. After some wire brushing got numbers. Not too sure on letters, still have some hard scrubbing to do.
Rear:
3.84 Dana ?AFE?
603883 3

Front was on corners:
44 ?AF?
038 - rest was cut off by ubolt

Now, my engine has become unknown to me. I went to get parts for the tuneup. Tell em 75/f150/390/4wd/etc. Got new cap and plugs with it. Completely wrong kind. This cap was not only smaller, but it didn't have those metal plugs or whatever stickin out the top, just open holes. Therefor the wires were also diff. and couldn't be used. Went to other parts store, bring in my cap and give info. He looks it up and same thing. Then he remembers something, and puts in '78 f150/400ci. Its the right one and right plugs, and he told me from now on for parts ask for the '78 400. Do I possibly have a 400 or can this be done to engines? Switchin over the coils/points. Looked for block numbers and don't know if I got right ones but these were on front/bottom of blocks.
Pass. side:
C8ME or 08ME
Driver side:
5E15 or 5E1E or SE1(5/E)

Sorry to keep draggin this stuff on. Thanks for all the help ya'll have given so far.

Edit: Bremen, its just a reg. cab.
 
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 11:47 PM
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well the easiest way i can tell you to check if it a 400, on the heads on the top corner closest to the rad, the valve cover will have a round corner and the head will have a square corner and the will be a flat spot there the shape of a triangle of sorts.

But on that top engine code if first letter is definately a D then yes its a 78'.
 
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 09:19 AM
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Got some answers to my questions and got some new problems/questions. First, got the camera today and took a lot of pics. Hopefully be on disc tomorrow or next day but who knows. I got my hands on a haynes manual and finally found the tag locations on axle. After some wire brushing got numbers. Not too sure on letters, still have some hard scrubbing to do.
Rear:
3.84 Dana ?AFE?
603883 3

Front was on corners:
44 ?AF?
038 - rest was cut off by ubolt

Now, my engine has become unknown to me. I went to get parts for the tuneup. Tell em 75/f150/390/4wd/etc. Got new cap and plugs with it. Completely wrong kind. This cap was not only smaller, but it didn't have those metal plugs or whatever stickin out the top, just open holes. Therefor the wires were also diff. and couldn't be used. Went to other parts store, bring in my cap and give info. He looks it up and same thing. Then he remembers something, and puts in '78 f150/400ci. Its the right one and right plugs, and he told me from now on for parts ask for the '78 400. Do I possibly have a 400 or can this be done to engines? Switchin over the coils/points. Looked for block numbers and don't know if I got right ones but these were on front/bottom of blocks.
Pass. side:
C8ME or 08ME
Driver side:
5E15 or 5E1E or SE1(5/E)

Sorry to keep draggin this stuff on. Thanks for all the help ya'll have given so far.

Edit: Bremen, its just a reg. cab.
It could just be a 302... I think all Ford HEI V8 caps are the same.. (has the metal plugs sticking up). I tried looking up the BOM without much luck. the 3.84 is probably 3.54
 
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 11:48 AM
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To confirm that it's a 400 (or 351M), check the valve cover bolts. 8 bolts in a rectangular pattern will give it away as an M block. 6 bolts will show it to be a 302 or 351W.
 
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 07:06 PM
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Cover-to-head both are rounded. And theres only 5 bolts on each valve cover. 3 on the top/inside towards intake, 2 on bottom next to manifold.
 
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