20MM? wow, tht could take a tank down, which is what they were meant to do, just dont move to CALI, the gov doesnt like dangerous weapons.

 

I be in Cali. It has tracers, armor piercing, fire from a bipod. Barrel is around 5' long made by the Swiss in WW II. And you thought they only made watches.
This ain't no "Texas Pistol".
.....=o&o>.....

 

i must fo read wrong about the crap aHnold wants to do, or maybe thay havnt done it yet

 

Got a Kimber in the safe, haven't had time to take it out yet.

As for the .50, yes Kali has banned them. I feel so much safer.

As for the 20mm, that there would be a "destructive device", methinks, and as such deep do-do under state and fed rules and regs. Overpenetration is a concern when using it for home defense also.

As for it's anti-tank capabilities, maybe on an early WWII tank, but the new jobs need something with a bit more punch.

 

earlier WWII and all of the armor before that was pretty useless is yo have it a couple shots from a 50., esp is you had some incendiary rounds mixed in...

I cant figure why tehy would ban the 50.s, when you have all of the Mexicali mafia and such runing around with tech 9s, uzis and such. doesnt make much sense. a 50. rifle will only be useful on anything like a money car or LAV, anything else would be overkill, and anything more wouldnt be running around on the streets.

 

Well, not to get going on the gun control rant, but the .50 ban was based on the usual nonsense about how "no body needs a gun like that". And the "it could bring down an airplane", which is true, but seein's how there is miles of gun camera footage of guys trying (and failing in many cases) to bring down a plan with a .50 machine gun, it apparently goes over their heads as to how you would do so with a single shot or even a 10 shot semi-auto. Which leads us to note that this crowd can't distinguish between semi and full auto. Plus, those .50 rifles LOOK so dangerous.

Here a few years back they was jawin' on about pocket pistols and easily concealed "junk guns". Heck, you'd a thought they would have mandated the .50 rifle for the criminal set so's you could see they was packin' from a mile or two away.....

Anyway, those that claim to know say you can get a shot just as far with a .308, as the ranges involved get to the point where you can't see the target anyway. (if you can't see it to begin with, how can you pick it up with the scope?)

Well, to return to the subject, I look forward to popping a few rounds off with that Kimber. I also have a Beretta 92, and like the 16 rounds vs. the 8. However, the 92 doesn't hit where it's pointed, so it needs some adjusting or work, and I guess I could log off the internet and get to it. Or not.

 

It is not my intent to hi-jack the thread.
With that said, several years ago, the man (John Pepper) who invented the 'Pepper Popper' (as I was told) was a guest at my club. We were in the process of starting up our IPSC program, and he was showing us some 'tricks of the trade' about set-up. (I first met John Pepper in 1981, at Berwyn Rod & Gun Club, in Maryland.)

When we were starting to shoot a stage, I commented out loud, "I wonder if I should use my (Gold Cup) .45 or my (Beretta) 9mm?"

John heard me and said, "Keith - - It all depends on whether you want to kill that target, or just sting it."

I reached for my Gold Cup!!! In fact, that mdl 92FS hasn't had 5 boxes of cartridges (total) through it, since 1989!



Back to regularly scheduled programming.

 

I think the 1911is the best handgun you can buy. I'm saving for a kimber now. Great gun

 

Yea, that 9mm vs. .45 debate could be the cause of global warming. (just to suggest yet another potentially thread-closing element......call me silly)

Seems to me I read the 9mm problem is lessened when you get away from the faster overpenetrating 115 grain rounds and go with the slower 147 jobs.

Then there's the best of both worlds, if your mit will fit around the grip, the 14 round double stack .45s. LDA I think?

The way my 92 shoots, you need all 16 rounds as tracers to finally hit the target. Gotta get that fixed.....

 

The 9mm in +P+ load that the secret service use can match a .357 round, never underestimate a 9mm. BAT 9mm will grow to .52 cal after impact with flesh. Granted 10mm or .40 cal that most law enforcement use packs a good punch. Years ago a friend was happy about getting a 92F until he shot my Browning Highpower FN single action auto. Sold his 92F and purchased a Highpower.
.....=o&o>.....

 

I've wanted a 1911 for quite awhile now and have pretty much decided upon the Springfield TRP Light Rail Armory Kote. That is until I see the Kimbers, STI's, and Wilson Combat models again They're all nice pistols.

 

The 45 ACP will never die. they keep coming up with new rounds, smaller faster, bigger faster, whatever. The 45 ACP has been doing it's job very well for over a hundred years and will continue probably for another hundred years.
My little 45 ACP horde:
1927: Colt 1911A1
1978: Colt Commander 9MM
2001: Charles Daly Colt Commander Knockoff
2000: Glock 30 Real accurate but like holding a potato

 

I want a 1911 so bad, my fiance' is even thinking about getting me one as a wedding gift! I todl her go to this place, say my name and then 1911 and the guy will pick one out for you that I will like. Going to the same gun dealer for years pays off sometimes.

Till I get a 1911 in .45 acp I'l just have to stick with my Springfield XD-9 and my Ruger Vaqueo .45 colt for home defense.

Guess which one I'll grab first?
Hint: it goes BOOM

 

My favorite handgun is the Browning Hi-Power in 9mm. Also designed by John Moses Browning. I will be getting my Gold Cup some day though. Maybe then I may have a new favorite handgun?

 

Even Browning himself could'int improve on his own 1911 design. This handgun will always remain the benchmark by which all other secondary weapons are judged. There's nothing which can be improved on for pure combat purposes. At least not utilising current gun manufacturing, ballistics, and ammunition technologies.
The 1911 will only be made out dated when ALL guns have been made so, by some sort of Star Wars blaster type weapons or small arms which fire explosive homing missile projectiles about the size of a crayon.

Anyone remember S&W's position regarding the 1911 and its derivatives back in the eighties? Remember how DA was supposed to be so superior to the 1911's outdated design? Remember how the new "wondernines" were supposed to be so superior to
the antiquated .45? Remember how all those ugly and awkward looking DA pistols of theirs were supposed to be so much better because they did'int require antique grip safeties?...lol. Look who's producing yet another 1911 .45 clone now!