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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 05:23 PM
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Not sure I agree with Jimandmandy on the wear of a 300 or any 6 compared to a V8.

The angle of the pistons in V8's causes inherently more wear just because of gravity. Inlines do not have the angle and therfore there is less wear than a V8 or V6 for that matter. Technically speaking a 302 does produce more torque (depending upon the year it was built) however, anyone who has driven or owned both (I do) can tell you that the 300 will eat the 302 for lunch when it comes to towing or lugging. Specs on paper do not always equate to real life performance.

As far as big blocks are concerned they should produce more torque they have more cubes. The 460 is about as good of a pulling motor one can have. But inch for inch it is hard to beat the 300.
 
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 05:51 PM
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Thanks. My build dynoed at 300hp 400 torque. I looked into clifford, and decided against them. Over on fordsix.com they say there is quality issues and that they are over priced. So I went with an Offenhauser C series intake, 500CFM Edelbrock 4V carb, a Hedman header, Ross Forged pistons 9.5:1 CR, MSD ignition 6a box, MSD blaster II coil, Ford Racing 9mm plug wires, Comp 268 cam. I heard the bit about the Chev and I think the AMC not being a 12 port like a 300 or a 225 was a bit of a slow up. I don't know though.
That's a sweet engine and represents what the 300 is capable of. Yes, you really can get 300+ horses and 400 or more pounds of torque out of the engine without sacrificing reliability. I do like Clifford and have had good results with their products. If you don't want to buy the parts and put it together yourself, they will sell you a fuel injected 300 long block (bored .060 over) rated at 325 bhp and a staggering 450 pounds of torque. It's pricey at $5,800, but for a race motor that ain't bad.

http://cliffordperformance.net/html_...fordfacts.html

So whether you have a particular preference for your brand of inline 6 performance parts, the point is that they can be made to be very potent, indeed.
 
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 12:33 AM
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In 1971 a friend bought a new 1 ton Chevy with the 292. I drove this truck quite a bit. I thought it did what it was suppose to and not much more. My dad and I owned the 300's in the 80's. I think it might have been the best LD truck engine Ford ever built. The exhaust manifold cracked on most of them but a great engine. It could have used more power. Good Luck!
 
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 12:09 PM
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Maybe it is just me, but one of the things that I really liked about the 300 Ford in the truck I owned was that it was mated to a Borg Warner T-18 "top loader" manual tranny. That tranny is stout. It even was used in some dump trucks.

It had 4 forward gears. First was not syncronized but it was a super low granny gear - 6.32:1 I believe. In a 4x4, you put that sucker in 4wd low range, put the tranny in first, let out on the clutch - wow! Only about 5 mph max, maybe less, but you could pull a plow with it. We did one time. I don't know how much torque was going to the axles with all that power at low rpm being multiplied by all the gears, but that was one awesome combo.
 
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 08:43 PM
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There are three types of people when it comes to transmissions. Those who are manual fans, those who are indifferent, and those who are Auto fans. I am definately an Auto fan. My 300 is hooked to a c6.
I joke to with my friends who Only drive manuals that I have a standard transmission. Since most vehicles on the road have an auto. Wouldn't that make it a standard?
"Is that a Manual or a standard?"
 
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 10:08 PM
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j41385a, What about Overdrive? What category does that fall in?
 
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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I am a die hard manual tranny guy but I can see where the people that prefer autos are comming from, unless they just don't know how to drive stick. The times I really hate a manual tranny are when I am in town, you just get to 3rd and your stopped again because of another light or an idiot that can't drive.
 
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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j41385a, What about Overdrive? What category does that fall in?
Some are auto and some are stick.
 
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 10:54 PM
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I owned all 3 300 I6, Chevy 250, and a 225 slant 6. Ford engine by far the best of the 3. The 225 slant 6 could actually forecast the weather. Even the slightest bit of dampness would cause all kinds of problems, I hated it! If it rained forget it!
But in all fairness, it was very old when I got it.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 11:03 PM
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That 300 six never let me down.
 
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 11:09 PM
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Can you tell me more about your chevy? I am curious how the Ford was better. Or maybe...where was the chev lacking? I'm just trying to find out all I can about all of them.
 
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Old Jul 1, 2005 | 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FordCardinal
Not sure I agree with Jimandmandy on the wear of a 300 or any 6 compared to a V8.

The angle of the pistons in V8's causes inherently more wear just because of gravity. Inlines do not have the angle and therfore there is less wear than a V8 or V6 for that matter. Technically speaking a 302 does produce more torque (depending upon the year it was built) however, anyone who has driven or owned both (I do) can tell you that the 300 will eat the 302 for lunch when it comes to towing or lugging. Specs on paper do not always equate to real life performance.

As far as big blocks are concerned they should produce more torque they have more cubes. The 460 is about as good of a pulling motor one can have. But inch for inch it is hard to beat the 300.

Dude, I almost needed O2 from laughing so hard at that theory.

Using this flawed logic, the 225 slant 6 wears uneven on one side?

Flat or Boxer engines (Porsche, Subaru, older Volkswagons and current small aircraft motors) have oblong cylinders after a while?

No disrespect intended but I have never been impressed with you alls favorite LD truck motor. The one I drove had trouble pulling a couple Sea Doos at highway speeds up grades.

I could care less about so-called great "low-end torque" advantage. I drive/pull faster than pulling a hay wagon at 5 MPH.

Longevity? Sure, 7 mains and low engine speeds will do that for a motor.
 
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Old Jul 1, 2005 | 01:05 AM
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Well that is your choice DOHC. But I have never been impressed with the High rpm power, and the ability to burn fuel like it's free that some v8's have.
 
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Old Jul 1, 2005 | 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jimandmandy
The 300 vs 302 is a good comparison here. The V-8 actually produces slightly more torque, but it is at a higher rpm, so the 6 feels like more. Fewer, larger cylinders seem to favor low-end torque, probably due to speed of burn vs cylinder volume issues. Airplane engines have huge cylinders and redline at under 3000rpm. I still cant see any reason for a truck V-10.

Dependablilty may more from the fact that a typical buyer of the 6 is less likely to modify and/or abuse it compared to a greater number of V-8 buyers, just a theory. It may be true, however, due to the fewer number of parts, and lower stresses due to low-rpm operation. The long stroke makes for a higher piston speed at the same rpm, so ring and cylinder wear would not be better with the 6.

Jim


You answered your own query in the 1st paragraph with the last line in the second paragraph.

It's all about the stroke baby!!!

Cylinder configuration does not dictate power characteristics....bore, stroke, rod ratio, runner length are the variables.

The V10 is simply a way to gain cubes/power by utilizing existing parts.

As fuel quality degrades and emissions get tighter it is more difficult to control flame travel(clean burn) with the big bore motors of old.

Note the power decrease of the 8.1 GM.
 
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Old Jul 1, 2005 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by j41385a
Well that is your choice DOHC. But I have never been impressed with the High rpm power, and the ability to burn fuel like it's free that some v8's have.

C'mon now............you KNOW you're not being 100% honest.


Maybe 50%...........and that 50% I will agree with you 100%. Does that make any sense?
 
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