Base Closures
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From: Running Springs CA
While CA took a hit as usual, the Los Angeles Air Force Station is a biggie that was spared this time around. Rep Jane Harmon (D) and Gov Arnold (R) went to bat behind the scenes, while I'm pretty sure Sens Fienstien (D) and especially Boxer (D) did nothing. I know the process is supposed to be non-political, but that is just not reality.
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I took a look at the major bases being closed, not counting reserve centers. The newest base closed is Naval Station Ingleside in Texas. The next newest was built in 1942. The oldest I found was Fort Monroe built in 1834. If you would like to look at the major military bases and their history, go to this site, it shows them by name, state, and region.
http://www.military.com/Installation...11400,,00.html
http://www.military.com/Installation...11400,,00.html
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From: Langhorne, PA
Losing NAS Willow Grove, out here. We already lost the Naval Air Warfare center, across the street, history doesn't mean a thing. Apollo astronauts trained at NAWC, and Willow Grove has been home to reservists for 50 years.
We have the military cream of the crop serving here at Willow Grove, and it is likely we will lose alot of very intelligent dedicated part-timers. I hope WW3 doesn't start in the next ten years. It will be hard to to win a war when your weapons have to be stock-piled on residential streets because there are no bases left.
The only reason they want to close Willow Grove is because Toll Brothers wants to put 55 and over adult housing tracts there, big money in that, I've heard.
We have the military cream of the crop serving here at Willow Grove, and it is likely we will lose alot of very intelligent dedicated part-timers. I hope WW3 doesn't start in the next ten years. It will be hard to to win a war when your weapons have to be stock-piled on residential streets because there are no bases left.
The only reason they want to close Willow Grove is because Toll Brothers wants to put 55 and over adult housing tracts there, big money in that, I've heard.
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From: Empire of New Jersey
Originally Posted by ARMORER
Oh man, what a heartbreaker to see Ft. Monmouth N.J. on there. That little base was the Army's best kept secret. I liked it so much that when I came back from Iraq last year and could finally take a honeymoon, I took my wife out there and we stayed in Guest housing on base for 10 days! It's right on the coast(shore,they call it out there) And tucked into a residential township. Great fishing on those beaches. What a shame.
The area isn't built around the base like some other places, so it won't be a big loss. Might actually relieve the traffic in the area and make my summer job deliverying ice easier (come on, trying to positive).
Seems like thats NJ's only big lose. And yeah, we call it the 'shore'
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From: Alvin, Texas.
It will take 2.4 BILLION buckos to close those bases down over the next several years.
Is it me or do I NOT find the savings in that, even with the gubmint being as LOUSY as it is in terms of fiscal efficiency?
IF Dub did the right thing and brought all the boys and girls home who are stationed in places they are not welcomed anyway (Korea, etc), there would be use for them bases still, to some extent.
Hmm, the Ingleside NAS is going down....so that means no more channel 16 VHF calls like "Securitay, securitay.....we are conducting naval exersize with the warship ______, please give 2 miles radius or go down in a ball of flames" anymore? Crap.
Oh, the lousy mayor of Concord, Ka(lifornia) I believe was all cheers that their weapons depot was closing, all to put housing over the rubble.....okay.
Is it me or do I NOT find the savings in that, even with the gubmint being as LOUSY as it is in terms of fiscal efficiency?
IF Dub did the right thing and brought all the boys and girls home who are stationed in places they are not welcomed anyway (Korea, etc), there would be use for them bases still, to some extent.
Hmm, the Ingleside NAS is going down....so that means no more channel 16 VHF calls like "Securitay, securitay.....we are conducting naval exersize with the warship ______, please give 2 miles radius or go down in a ball of flames" anymore? Crap.
Oh, the lousy mayor of Concord, Ka(lifornia) I believe was all cheers that their weapons depot was closing, all to put housing over the rubble.....okay.
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DoD BRAC Recommendations Expected to Save Nearly $50 Billion Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld announced today that the department’s recommendations to close or realign military facilities in the United States will better position U.S. forces to confront this century’s threats. The recommendation, if fully implemented, will generate an estimated net savings of nearly $50 billion over the next two decades. When combined with the anticipated savings from overseas basing realignments around the world, the projected net savings increases to $64.2 billion.
Cost savings are generated over time not immediately
Cost savings are generated over time not immediately
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From: Southern MD
From what I read and heard last night, all of this is proposed.
There are still debates, conferences, and a congressional vote.
So, with that said, hopefully, some of the bases will be spared. Too many jobs and lives will be affected by the closings.
Yes, the economy will be hurt (on a local level) but, there has to be some closings. (And you KNOW there will be concessions made.)
As for Maryland, all I noticed was part of a base at Patuxent River (Pax), in St. Mary's County.
Good luck to all. And to all of you that serve, THANK YOU!!!!!!
There are still debates, conferences, and a congressional vote.
So, with that said, hopefully, some of the bases will be spared. Too many jobs and lives will be affected by the closings.
Yes, the economy will be hurt (on a local level) but, there has to be some closings. (And you KNOW there will be concessions made.)
As for Maryland, all I noticed was part of a base at Patuxent River (Pax), in St. Mary's County.
Good luck to all. And to all of you that serve, THANK YOU!!!!!!
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From: Damascus-Boring, Ore
Oregon:
State total: Loss of 246 military and 837 civilian jobs; 1,083 jobs lost overall. Navy Reserve Center Central Point: Closing, loss of seven military jobs. Umatilla Army Depot: Closing, loss of 127 military and 385 civilian jobs. Portland International Airport Air Guard Station: Realignment, loss of 112 military and 452 civilian jobs.
State total: Loss of 246 military and 837 civilian jobs; 1,083 jobs lost overall. Navy Reserve Center Central Point: Closing, loss of seven military jobs. Umatilla Army Depot: Closing, loss of 127 military and 385 civilian jobs. Portland International Airport Air Guard Station: Realignment, loss of 112 military and 452 civilian jobs.
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From: Valley of the Sun AZ
We did not do too bad. When Williams cloased they stated it was going to be doom for the valley, but now it looks as if they will make it the Number 2 airport in Phoenix as Sky Harbor is running out of space. Development of the lost space is the key. ASU and two community colleges took over part of Williams and it is perfect for them. They have dorms and all of the infrastructure. All closings are not that bad, but if we were to lose Luke AFB that would be bad......
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From: Northwest Indiana
Originally Posted by 1956MarkII
How can you close 33 major bases while the country is at war? Isn't that a first?
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From: Barrington USA
New England is pretty much Edited by Admin we're gaining a few but that doesn't even begin to compare to the loses, and some of the loses are from the more major bases too, New England is losing almost 14,500 postions all from Maine and Ct, with vermont, new hampshire and rhode island gaining a total of about 1000
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From: Fairbanks, Alaska
Alaska is on the chopping block this time as well and the "realignment" (spelled closing) of Eielson is going to severely impact the Fairbanks area - my hometown. It's all the talk 'round these parts, and folks is predictin' schools closing (three of them in fact) and major store chains possibly pulling out, as well as a lot of other businesses closing doors. The "ripple effect" is one that the Pentagon and Washington boys don't look very hard at sometimes.
But my comfort is that with this latest round of BRAC, they have picked on almost 3/4 of the states...which means there will be a lot of Senators and Congressmen/women arguing for their states, making passing these recommendations very difficult
But my comfort is that with this latest round of BRAC, they have picked on almost 3/4 of the states...which means there will be a lot of Senators and Congressmen/women arguing for their states, making passing these recommendations very difficult
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From: Northwest Indiana
Originally Posted by 1BigExpy
You heard very wrong
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/ne...ring-bases.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0930/p17s02-cogn.html
Do a google search on iraq "enduring bases", there's many sources. It's not a secret, just not in the news much.