4.2L with odd idle and rough starts
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4.2L with odd idle and rough starts
Okay i have a 4.2l in my ford f150 it has 70k miles on it. recently did an oil change havent replaced the plugs or wires since i got it or anything along that line. When i start the truck up (cold normaly) sometimes it acts as though it doesnt want to start. a comparison to it would be a manual transmission dying out if you dont keep the rpms up. and seeing that this is an automatic truck i dont know why its doing this. it will also shudder when it idles for 5-10 minutes. not nearly as bad as it will at start up at times. I saw the"bad loss of power" topic and this doesnt really describe my problem as i have plenty of power above 2000 rpms its just idleing thats the problem SOMETIMES. Someone made a mention to me about checking the vacume lines. i have yet to have time to do this, but i was wondering what else do/should i check while im at it. i know im nearing the mileage that certain things need to be replaced. any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
#2
what year is your truck? if it's a 97 or early 98, then you might have some failing gaskets.
there's quite a few things you can look for that would also cause this problem, fuel injectors, fuel filter, coil pack, fuel pump, fuel pump relay.
i'd start off with the cheapest things, and move up from there. At 70k they could stand replacement =)
let us know
there's quite a few things you can look for that would also cause this problem, fuel injectors, fuel filter, coil pack, fuel pump, fuel pump relay.
i'd start off with the cheapest things, and move up from there. At 70k they could stand replacement =)
let us know
#4
The 97's and early 98's have intake gasket issues, where the gaskets fail and coolant gets into the intake and hydrolocks your motor.
unfortunately, it's INEVITEABLE. I recommend you change your gaskets IMMEDIATELY to prevent you needing a new motor. Another new user just posted this same thing. There are TONS of info. on this here in the forum, just search "hydrock"
Also check out www.leakingfords.com
here's the other thread
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=373616
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you should take care of this before it's too late and unrepairable.
unfortunately, it's INEVITEABLE. I recommend you change your gaskets IMMEDIATELY to prevent you needing a new motor. Another new user just posted this same thing. There are TONS of info. on this here in the forum, just search "hydrock"
Also check out www.leakingfords.com
here's the other thread
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=373616
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you should take care of this before it's too late and unrepairable.
#5
well i spoke with an uncle of mine and for some rason he doesnt think its the gaskets. and says that he has actualy heard of verry few problems with those on these motors. SO ima pass on that for now i will add coolant to the truck and watch it VERRY closely. he is assuming its either the iac or egr sticking...seeing as he is a certified mechanic with quite a few years in the field and used car field he may be right i dunno..you guys have me worried and concernd about these gaskets though.
#6
uh....
This is a problem that Ford actually knows about, and issued a TSB (techical service bulletin) about. I don't doubt your uncle's ability and knowledge, but this is something that is factual.
The www.leakingfords.com link no longer works. But you can find the info, and link to the TSB here:
http://www.flamingfords.info/
I really hope you address this issue soon to avoid a costly engine rebuild/replacement.
This is a problem that Ford actually knows about, and issued a TSB (techical service bulletin) about. I don't doubt your uncle's ability and knowledge, but this is something that is factual.
The www.leakingfords.com link no longer works. But you can find the info, and link to the TSB here:
http://www.flamingfords.info/
I really hope you address this issue soon to avoid a costly engine rebuild/replacement.
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where's everyone else? I know you are a new user nodnarb, there are a handful of guys in here who know much about this situation.
The moderator of this forum, BrianA, actually went through this recently.
Good luck with your situation, hope you stick around the forum. There's a lot of info here!
The moderator of this forum, BrianA, actually went through this recently.
Good luck with your situation, hope you stick around the forum. There's a lot of info here!
#9
Sorry guys, I am WAAYYY busy at work right now.
Matter of fact, I'll be away from my computer Thurs - Sun.
I'd cahnge plugs and wires before getting too concerned over anything else.
Being a '98 doesn't destine to early gasket probs. The gasket issue was addressed by Ford during the '98 build dates.
I have had personal experience with plugs/wires and a gasket prob.
What you describe sounds just like plugs/wires. And, 70,000 miles is right about when problems will crop up.
Depends on who youask, but seemes the concensus is Motorcraft plugs and wires are a sure bet.
I have put Motorcraft wires on twice (65,000 and 155,000 miles). I went with Autolite copper plugs this itme and they work just fine - just won't last as long.
Give it a go and let us know!
Matter of fact, I'll be away from my computer Thurs - Sun.
I'd cahnge plugs and wires before getting too concerned over anything else.
Being a '98 doesn't destine to early gasket probs. The gasket issue was addressed by Ford during the '98 build dates.
I have had personal experience with plugs/wires and a gasket prob.
What you describe sounds just like plugs/wires. And, 70,000 miles is right about when problems will crop up.
Depends on who youask, but seemes the concensus is Motorcraft plugs and wires are a sure bet.
I have put Motorcraft wires on twice (65,000 and 155,000 miles). I went with Autolite copper plugs this itme and they work just fine - just won't last as long.
Give it a go and let us know!
#10
Yeah, plugs and wires are in the works to be replaced regardless of what anyone tells me. and thatll help me get an idea of whats going on in the engine.lean condtion ect. i bought bosch plugs to then read on hre that their not reccommended so ill be taking those back shortly and getting the reccomended plugs. the manufacture date on this truck is in 97 im not sure of the month i forgot it and cant go look at the truck right now. I HOPE i dont have to worry about gaskets yet but if its something that me and him can do in a day or so i may just go a head and replace them. why not its preventitive and a learning experience for me. and you guys reccomend the oem wires over others? interesting
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Poppin' in one time before I hit the road Thurs AM.
If your unc is a mechanic, I'd bet you guys could do it.
However, be aware, I believe it is both the lower intake manifold gaskets AND the timing chain cover gasket.
AFAIK, head gaskets are not an issue.
I have heard of very few probs with MAF, IAC, etc.
A smattering of odds and ends here and there, but I'd agree with you uncle - overall pretty darned reliable motors.
My lower intake gaskets leaked at about 155,000 miles. That's the only engine problem I have ever had.
Here's the thread on my problem:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=340552
OBTW, as mentioned above, Glad you are here!
Hope you stick around.
Thanks!
If your unc is a mechanic, I'd bet you guys could do it.
However, be aware, I believe it is both the lower intake manifold gaskets AND the timing chain cover gasket.
AFAIK, head gaskets are not an issue.
I have heard of very few probs with MAF, IAC, etc.
A smattering of odds and ends here and there, but I'd agree with you uncle - overall pretty darned reliable motors.
My lower intake gaskets leaked at about 155,000 miles. That's the only engine problem I have ever had.
Here's the thread on my problem:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=340552
OBTW, as mentioned above, Glad you are here!
Hope you stick around.
Thanks!
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Okay, A little update. I changed the plugs and wires and that seemed to had made a difference for a while. my uncle came down and brought down a scanner with him that we hooked up and checked everything on my truck with and no codes came out or anything suspicious. I described to him the problem i was having and then he told me what it would do if it was the iac. start at a low idle and not at a high idle like normal and would cause it to hesitate bc the iac was holding the throttle closed.. well thats what it proceded to do RIGHT after he left. so im fixing to go get a new iac bc id rather fix it than clean it and have it act up later. ive also ben watching my coolant level since i last posted and its sitting still if its dropping its doing it in such a small amount i cant notice it... well thanks guys for the other ideas to look for and ill keep an eye on my coolant. and i plan on hanging around on this site some more. ill let you know weither the new i ac controller does any good and so on.