I tell ya, for a big HD vehicle, if I'm reading these tests right, this V-10 is CLEAN. Wash state tests state a limit of 400 ppm for hydrocarbons at 2500 rpm, I had 17, and 400 ppm at idle and I had 13. Carbon monoxide (CO?) has a limit of 3% at cruise and 3% at idle, the big white Ford had 0.06 at 2500 rpm and NONE (detectable) at idle. Vehicles over 8500 GVW don't have to take the CO+CO2 and the O2 tests so there was no readings for that. But I am feeling really good about doing my part to save the air for humanity.

Here's the kicker, in some parts of the nation this is cleaner than the air that we breathe. So in effect, driving our V-10's is actually HELPING not only to keep the air clean, but we can actually CLEAN it as it passes through our engines.

So take THAT Prius owners ! We can do a full days work AND be environmentally responsible, oh goodness, my chest is already getting all puffy. I wore my Birkenstocks to work, I ate some granola, I told momma not to shave her legs/armpits, I bathed in patchouli oil, woooeeee ! Woodstock here we come !!! Is Country Joe and the Fish still touring ?

 

woodstock oboy, i still have my tickets as it was free by the time we got there.
i've been driving mine with a scaner hooked up and watching the perimators at work since they fixed my pedal switch. open , closed loop. you are so very correct about how clean they run

 

I get a kick how many radical environmentalists drive old beaters that are burning oil!
These are the same morons that would be appalled by us driving V10s.
Ken, you must like what I added to my signature and your post shows that only happy people buy V10s. When a manic depessive sees how little carbon dioxide the V10 makes he won't want one............ it would take 4 tanks of fuel to kill yourself.

 

Hey, Charlie , I like your new signature and those Woodstock tickets are worth a few bucks. The Woodstock site sells a framed 3 day set for 89 bucks. If you can remember the 60s, you weren't there.

 

I know.
I am all for preserving this beautiful place we live on, but if I get 1 more lecture from people in a 70's VW Combi van with peace logos and rainbows all over saying I should drive slower, and drive a smaller car to save the environment I am going to get MAD!!!

My car produces less emissions when it is getting 5mpg than their bongo bus does at idle...

Not to mention, our entire household runs entirely on solar electricity, I have implemented a nature regeneration program on our families farm to encourage more natural wildlife.
Just because I like to drive fast in a large car/truck doesn't mean I don't care about the environment.

Rant Over.

 

I wonder what city my exhaust matches? New York?

 

really a lot more then 89 for a orig 3 day set.
i barely remember it there was way to much smoke in the air not to get a buzz

 

Country Joe and the Fish...Hummmm

While I appreciate satire just as much as any body and I do fondly remember all the lyrics lets see now...

And it's one, two, Three, What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me I don't give a damn!
Next stop is Viet Nam!

So put down your shovels and pick up a gun
We're gonna have a whole lot of fun!

And it's one, two, Three, What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me I don't give a damn!
Next stop is Viet Nam!

Come on Mothers, don't hesitate,
send your boy off before it's too late
Be the first one on your block
To have you son come home in a box!

Yea I guess I should not do the Fish cheer

None of this is very PC these days

Would have been cool to be there but I was on the west coast while dad was in the Nam

Went to Altimont instead and of course that is an whole other story

I am a smoker of fine cigars and a school trained HazMat inspector, I eat meat, don't hunt for sport but learned how, and passed on to sons, mostly for tradition, male instinct, subsistence, and to teach nature responsibility.

The folks out there who smugly think that their living in the city, driving smallish "economy cars" and then think they have some righteous compulsion to look down their noses at us ugly big SUV/4Dr Truck polluters just simply have no scientific clue.

Pond for pound, Erg of work performed, Watts consumed, emissions produced, the truth is many times, the giant work horse vehicles are polluting proportionally less.

 

Yea, me too, bay area boy during the 60's and early 70's. My version of Altamont may be a little different than yours. By the time we got wind of it the traffic was backed up 10 miles, but we still heard most of it. I do remember standing on the corner of Haight and Ashbury and scoping out chicks, especially the 'free love' sign holders, heh heh. Free was all I could afford,,,,,,,, I'll say no more in the interest of decorum.

So I asked the EPA what some of the other tests were, that HD vehicles don't have to adhere to, but are still on our test. The CO+CO2 at cruise was 16.6% with a limit of 6, and 15.8% at idle, with a limit of 6, but the limit is for minimum, so 16.6% is a nearly perfect burn, almost complete combustion the EPA guy said. I'm enclosing the quote from the agent;

The limits in first two columns for HC and CO in the test results is the maximum allowable reading for these columns. The limit in the third column CO+CO2 is the minimum acceptable reading. The 16.16 % CO+CO2 reading indicates that there was almost complete combustion of the gasoline/air mixture being supplied your vehicle's engine and that a valid sample of the exhaust gases was obtained. If CO+CO2 is below 6 % it indicates that the sample probe might not be in the tailpipe, a major exhaust system leak or that the engine was badly misfiring.
John Raymond Department of Ecology Air Quality Program


(this is on a vehicle with 108K miles, original plugs, original CO2 sensors, driven hard, put away wet)

 

108 K on the original plugs and still burning clean. What an incredible example of good motor design and we all know Ken likes to put his foot into it and that is what I have been trying to tell my wife for 34 years...........its good for a motor to give it a WOT run once in a while. I always wanted to meet the guy that said you should drive as if you had a raw egg between your foot and the gas pedal. That fool is reponsible for more rear end fatalities than you can count and the only reason I want to meet him is so I can kill him. Wrench.

 

OOOOOOOOOhhhhh, DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH !!!!!! I am moving, and I feel like I've been run over by a GM truck (slow moving), it hurts to blink my eyes and laughing is RIGHT OUT !!

For great gas mileage, sure, the egg thing. But for greater gas mileage, yea, the Civic thing. I'll take my 3 tons of steel. Ever seen a 2200 lb car that's been hit by a HD truck (or vice versa) ? Nuff said eh ?

Speaking of gas mileage, one of my 6 kids is a 13 yr old male, 14 in a month. And he is becoming a real car nut. Yesterday as we were coming home from moving I got into the V-10 a little, smoked up good rubber in first, through second and on into third a little until we were going fast enough that the vehicle speed caught up with wheel speed. My son's eyes were as big as dinner plates. I looked over and said "you forgot we are equipped with a V-10 magnum, the most powerful engine in the world, I felt lucky today". He was jacked, I gained a few status points as dad for that. Ya just don't get moments like that in a Honda do ya ?

 

Ken, my '01 V10 is rated ULEV for heavy-duty truck engines. That's pretty strict. Not as tight as cars, but when I checked what all those standards were, and what they were allowed to put out, my V10 is outrageously low.

I think I got 7 ppm for HC and something obscenely low for CO last time, and the guy rode the brakes all the way so that he didn't overspeed the dyno test

A 3.73-geared V10 on the dyno is SO easy to hit the rev-limiter it ain't funny. First time he tried, the display on the dyno (emissions tester) went off the scale. He did it by turning off OD last year, but that was even lower HC and CO than this year... I get tested for NOX too, and I don't think it even registered.

It would be very funny indeed to prove that "cleaner than the ambient air" theory... I think there are other pollutants that they are NOT checking for though, that might throw off the "cleaner than ambient" theory. But it's nice to think about.

If I ever get a tree-hugger complaining at me about the V10/SD, I'll ask to see his last emissions test receipt. It will be very gratifying to see his/her emissions to be more than twice mine... As every other of my extended family-member's cars do...

Go Ford!

art k.

Oh, and when I took apart my 360 that had 120K+ miles on it, it was clean inside, even the piston tops were almost spotless - My machinist's comment? You run at WOT a lot, don't you? Naahhhh....

 

My CEL had been on for a MONTH, no kidding. It comes on, and goes off, I know it's a O2 sensor, but 6 kids, moving, soccer, school, general laziness, and not having a garage (apartment living) has made it tough to really spend some quality time with my tools. Anyway, I had been buying AM/PM gas, the day I was just going to go ahead and run it thru DEQ anyway I put in some gas ststion gas, and viola ! No more CEL, and none since, but, I digress. Here, we have dyno type rollers for most vehicles, but not the HD trucks, I did have to bring it to 2500 rpm for the sniffer test, and I looked at the tester and said; "this seems more like 7500 rpm than 2500", he couldn't hear me of course so he just shook his head yes, I guess I should have asked him for pictures of his wife in her nightie, but I'm too nice of a guy for that kind of funny business,,,,,, uh, aren't I ? 2 years ago they had no code for a V-10 and told me my van was an E-250 with a V-8, imagine that. I pointed to the badges, but I got a blank stare back. It was interesting this time, I had to plug a sensor into my cigarette lighter, the scanned my bar code inside the door, and that was it. As soon as I get into the new house I can't wait to tear into her, new plugs, new O2 sensor, lower it just a tad,,,, you know, that stuff, Ken

 

You're going the wrong way.

Just messing, nice to hear the great test results, and they complain about it being a gas hog. Just great to hear about the good news on my truck's big cousins =).

I wonder what my cat-less 302 would pass on an E-test. Good old E-****-free Iowa...

 

Ken, I have to go on the dyno because it's an F-250, at least that's what I believe. Plus, I have passenger-car plates thanks to the cap that I HAD on it until the glass door broke the other day

The sensor in the cigarette lighter is probably to get the RPM ... if they thought it was a V8 this year, you didn't have to spin it up as far (but that would only move the emissions 20%, in other words, not a whole lot).

Saurian, I was able to get a '74 F250 w/11:1 390 and big cam to pass the idle sniffer a few years back (no cats required, no EGR, no air injection)... also a '76 Triumph TR7 that required a cat, and didn't have one, no EGR (had one stock) and slightly higher compression and lots of timing advance ... no problem passing...

This is all in Metro NY, which has gone to California emissions standards. As in, you HAVE to buy the CA emissions. Years ago, a CA emissions vehicle was a dog... now, they are the same thing... same power output, same everything... maybe an extra O2 sensor, but that's not to adjust anything, just let you know the cat is (or isn't) doing it's job...

That's why my '01 F250 V10 is a "ULEV" ...that's the CA emissions term. I personally believe the only difference between my '01 and plain ones is the sticker