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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 11:51 PM
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electrical short help please!

Got a tech question here.

SO, i would leave the ign off and would find a dead batt when I returned. I followed wires (with a diagram from autozone) and found that the alternator housing has a POSITIVE CHARGE ALWAYS, even with ign turned off. dug a little deeper and found the orange wire on the alternator (which the diagram says goes to the regulator) is the charged wire. SO. Is this wire always supposed to be charged, and the alternator's leaking? or is it NOT supposed to be charged and the regulator's leakin? or, is there another culprit? thanks!

the rig's a 76 f-100
 
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 09:40 AM
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The positive big wire on the alternator is hot all the time. The case should be ground potential.

Check for things that don't go off like the light in the glove box or a tail light. Could also just be a very weak battery.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 01:10 PM
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"the alternator housing has a POSITIVE CHARGE ALWAYS"

[QUOTE=beartracks]The positive big wire on the alternator is hot all the time. The case should be ground potential

so the alternator housing should be 12 volts positive , which is connected to its brackets, which are connected to the engine, which is connected to the negative side of the battery......that seems odd
 
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 02:10 PM
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That wire is hot all the time. The alternator case should NOT ever be hot. Something fried inside the alternator. At a minimum, take the alternator to the parts house and have it tested. And when you replace it, consider replacing the voltage regulator also. I always replace both just as a precaution.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 02:18 PM
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Here is an illustration

https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gal...d=1730&width=0
 
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 11:31 PM
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It's not the big wire that should always be hot. Its a smaller one that goes to the regulator, but i guess that it should also always be hot. I think i'll be able to go get it tested tomarrow. I'll let yall know.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 07:58 PM
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I exchanged alternators today, and it still does the same exact thing. something that occured to me though was that the alternator is a 74 alternator, and the regulator is of the 76. Maybe they're incompatible?

Here's where i'm at. This is all with the ignition off (and even unplugged right now) :
Chasis has positive charge.
Orange wire running from insulated connection on the alternator to the "F" terminal on the regulator always has power.
Unplug the orange wire at alternator and there's no charge running through chasis or alternator housing.

there's no chance that regulators are interchangable between these years is there? (I noticed the internals look different, but would the 74 regulator solve my problems?)

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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 09:16 PM
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65-79 They all use the same VR.
Even the application chart shows they use the same VR.
 
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 09:20 PM
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Try taking the + cable off and putting a test light between the + cable and the + post and see if it lights up. Make sure anything that is hot all the time clock, etc. is disconnected.
 

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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 10:08 PM
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I think this thread should now go to the electrical forum.

Franklin would be more great help
 
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 11:58 PM
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Alright, I got it fixed. The regulator ended up being fried. Thanks for the help guys.

Oh, and the VR in this truck with duraspark is quite different than what was in my other one with points. If you open them up, they're very different setups.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 06:14 AM
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Oh, and the VR in this truck with duraspark is quite different than what was in my other one with points. If you open them up, they're very different setups.
Is it because one VR is mechanical and the other is solid state?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 04:03 PM
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The solid state VR replaced the adjustable VR so the solid state replacement for your year is the same as later years trucks.

I have a Motorcraft electronics parts application book to look things up to verify )
 
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