off road diesle ?
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off road diesle ?
any of u guys running off road diesle in ur trucks and is there any differance between the 2 diesles i am just wondering because i know some guys that say its the same stuff just not taxed and dyed thanks for any help
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If caught the fines are very stiff. The fuels MIGHT be the same but I know I can get high sulfur fuel in the red. But not in the green or clear. So if this happened you would also be fined by the EPA have to pay for towing get fuel system flushed, etc. etc. etc. In other words "very expensive" not worth the price difference between taxed and untaxed. I have heard that there is a reward out there in some states if a mechanic finds red fuel and turns you in he gets a finder fee. They wouldn't know unless worked on the fuel system. But the dye stains your system for a long time.
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You will probably need to ask your local AG fuel dealer in IL...some states are different. Different as, AG (off road) fuel can typically have a higher sulfur content that on-road fuels. Some states regulate that the fuel is the same...just the taxes are different.
In any case...you can run it in your truck...it just ain't worth the $$$$ risk.
In any case...you can run it in your truck...it just ain't worth the $$$$ risk.
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To answer your question: My farm fuel is a higher sulpher content.
Legal issue. NO titled vehicle can operate on red dyed off road fuel. Farm use is for non titled, manufactured equipment. Hauling livestock to a local market is using the public highway system with a titled vehicle and does not qualify for off road fuel.
I see many posts asking about non taxed fuel.......forget it. I am not the fuel **** but your gonna make it a pain in the rear for me to purchase fuel in the future with more regulations.
To answer your question: My farm fuel is a higher sulpher content.
Legal issue. NO titled vehicle can operate on red dyed off road fuel. Farm use is for non titled, manufactured equipment. Hauling livestock to a local market is using the public highway system with a titled vehicle and does not qualify for off road fuel.
I see many posts asking about non taxed fuel.......forget it. I am not the fuel **** but your gonna make it a pain in the rear for me to purchase fuel in the future with more regulations.
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Even if you have a seperate tank for it, I am told they can test your exhaust and tell. Not worth the risk. Besides it is not always the same stuff. Each state might be different. You might save $.50 to $.75 per gallon at the pump, but the fine around here is at least 5 grand. I have it delivered here for my backhoe and save a lot, 500 gallons at a time, but I'm not going to take a chance in my truck.
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There are people around here running red dye and I have yet to hear of problems from anyone. I would ask the fuel supplier if there are any differences in your location.
As for the legal junk, it always surprises me that when someone asks about red dye the first thing that pours out here is dire warnings, not the answers to the questions, that usually comes after about 3-4 regurgitations of law.
I would think that you would have to have lived in a cave for the last 10 years not to know that it is not legal, not to mention it is plastered all over most red pumps. I think it is whom evers choice to run red, I don't but I'm not going to jump up and down about those that do....
Not trying to start a brew hah hah, just wondering why we can't seem to answer this question straight away?
As for the legal junk, it always surprises me that when someone asks about red dye the first thing that pours out here is dire warnings, not the answers to the questions, that usually comes after about 3-4 regurgitations of law.
I would think that you would have to have lived in a cave for the last 10 years not to know that it is not legal, not to mention it is plastered all over most red pumps. I think it is whom evers choice to run red, I don't but I'm not going to jump up and down about those that do....
Not trying to start a brew hah hah, just wondering why we can't seem to answer this question straight away?
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Well TJ I answered the question. I my opinion why ask if you know it is illegal. I think some people think it is ok to run off road fuel in certain conditions (which are none in a titled vehicle) and did not realize the fines pending if caught.
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I know of a guy that uses it in his fedex delivery truck and used it in a 2003 chevy 2500 duramax without any problems. His delivery turck which is a freightliner runnig a mercedes 4cyl turbo has over 85k on it running AG fuel. I know he about Edited bricks when he has to take it in for unexpected service. He runs the truck on normal diesel to flush the system. Amazing he has not got caught. I know that it is almost impossible to remove all traces of the AG fuel from your system.
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Originally Posted by t_j82
As for the legal junk, it always surprises me that when someone asks about red dye the first thing that pours out here is dire warnings, not the answers to the questions, that usually comes after about 3-4 regurgitations of law.
I would think that you would have to have lived in a cave for the last 10 years not to know that it is not legal, not to mention it is plastered all over most red pumps. I think it is whom evers choice to run red, I don't but I'm not going to jump up and down about those that do....
Not trying to start a brew hah hah, just wondering why we can't seem to answer this question straight away?
I would think that you would have to have lived in a cave for the last 10 years not to know that it is not legal, not to mention it is plastered all over most red pumps. I think it is whom evers choice to run red, I don't but I'm not going to jump up and down about those that do....
Not trying to start a brew hah hah, just wondering why we can't seem to answer this question straight away?
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Frobozz,
You need to understand that it is not ignorance nor arrogance that causes people here to run red dye. To get right down to it, this state is 48th in the nation for income so there are a vast amount of people barley getting by on what little they make. You could say "then don't drive" but unfortunately there is no other means to get around here so that leaves one with some choices to make. Fill up with what you can pay for and still eat, or pay the price you can't afford and starve.
Yes, everyone here knows it's wrong since they run commercials a couple of hundred times a day reminding you but I can't get up on my high horse and condemn someone for choosing to survive and doing what they need to do to get by...
You need to understand that it is not ignorance nor arrogance that causes people here to run red dye. To get right down to it, this state is 48th in the nation for income so there are a vast amount of people barley getting by on what little they make. You could say "then don't drive" but unfortunately there is no other means to get around here so that leaves one with some choices to make. Fill up with what you can pay for and still eat, or pay the price you can't afford and starve.
Yes, everyone here knows it's wrong since they run commercials a couple of hundred times a day reminding you but I can't get up on my high horse and condemn someone for choosing to survive and doing what they need to do to get by...