Ford vs GM
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From: Damascus-Boring, Ore
Want to know what really ticks me off? That was the answer in '74, in '79...geez, how many times do these guys have to learn the same lesson over and over again? What really frosts me is those products exist- in Ford and GM's portfolio, in other markets. If we can ship a freakin' engine/transaxle for an Equinox from China, you'd think they could stuff a stoopid little Tdi into an Aveo and make a buck or two at it. Ditto Focus, ditto Ranger.
I mentioned Cadillac's introducing a smaller CTS-like model in Europe, the BTS, with a Tdi in it? Go figure.
I'd better stop ranting now.
I mentioned Cadillac's introducing a smaller CTS-like model in Europe, the BTS, with a Tdi in it? Go figure.
I'd better stop ranting now.
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Originally Posted by 150ford
Well Fords got two hot products on the market now. F series and Mustang. Those 2 products are selling extremly well without much rebates. GMs making less money per vehicle then Ford right now. GM has to put on huge rebates on there trucks to move them. As well as cars. Ive heard the car 500 is selling well with out rebates. GM has had some serious quality issues with there vehicles that has definitly hurt them overall. And these gas prices sure havent helped either.
Best as always.
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From: Laporte , Indiana
I think Ford and GM missed the boat on the energy efficient vehicles . This is were they are missing sales . While customers that would have bought ford or gm before are now buying energy efficient vehicles . And Ford and GM are behind in this technology . IMO . They underestimated the new fuel efficient technology . And are scrambling to catch up !
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From: Damascus-Boring, Ore
Worse yet- they have...and use those energy-efficient technologies. Remember both makes are big players in Europe, where gas and diesel have been over $5/gallon for a long time. None of it has made it over to this side of the big pond. 
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But up until the somewhat recent fuel prices hikes, the full sized truck consumer didn't want the fuel effcient products by and large. We were all having a lot of fun with the HP wars going on between the big 3 consumer truck makers. Heck, at $1.25 a gallon like it was just a couple of years ago, who cares what the mileage is? Even the new generation diesel mileage is down with the increased power and pollution control stuff.
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Originally Posted by polarbear
Want to know what really ticks me off? That was the answer in '74, in '79...geez, how many times do these guys have to learn the same lesson over and over again? What really frosts me is those products exist- in Ford and GM's portfolio, in other markets. If we can ship a freakin' engine/transaxle for an Equinox from China, you'd think they could stuff a stoopid little Tdi into an Aveo and make a buck or two at it. Ditto Focus, ditto Ranger.
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From: Damascus-Boring, Ore
bwaahaahaa! In almost 30 years, there was only one time that I actually handed the keys to a demo back to the dealer and said "no thanks." Yep- Chevette diesel. The gas one was OK though- bought one for my wife when we were first married. not a great car, but it was new and what we could afford at the time.
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From: pound
Uh-oh, looks like GM is gonna have some even bigger problems now!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7630142/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7630142/
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From: Damascus-Boring, Ore
You know though, it's an interesting counterpoint on how the two corporations handle problems. GM's doing the seatbelt recall, even though there are no known crashes or injuries, as a pre-emptive strike, because there could be somewhere down the line. Ford would have waited until they got sued, or the NHSTA hauled them onto the carpet, or wound up on CNN. GM's got the better legal department, IMO.
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From: 3rd Rock
IMO GM has always been the leader in how they handle difficult situations.....Ford and Chrysler could take a lesson in doing customer service.
Do you think it is a better legal department or a different corporate culture when it comes to this.
Do you think it is a better legal department or a different corporate culture when it comes to this.
