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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 02:00 AM
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I'm venturing into an area that is unfamiliar to me, so I humbly ask you all for your help. I just sold my 97 F350,cc,4x4,gasser. It was a great truck for what we needed it to do, gonna miss her, but now I'm looking to a diesel. I want the same series truck w/ 7.3 PSD. My question is-what is a good year for this? Was there alot of difference between a 98 to 03? I can't afford a new $45K truck and don't want the 6.0 so I will be looking for a used one. Thank you very much in advance for all the help, you guys are great, aloha.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 07:23 AM
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Was there alot of difference between a 98 to 03?
There was no 98 model year. Ford was behind schedule in introducing the Superduty body style, so they continued making/selling the 97 body style until half way through the 98 model year, then introduced the 99 (Superduty) early. There have been refinements in the Superduty over the years, with the greatest change coming in the middle of the 99 model run. The 99 trucks are actually referred to as "early 99" or "late 99" trucks.
Comparing a Superduty to an OBS (Original Body Style) truck, you'd find that the Superduty has an intercooler, bigger injectors, they're generally quieter and more powerful in stock form. Among other things, they've got an improved fuel system, a better high pressure oil system, and a substantially smoother ride. A lot of options were available on the Superduties that you couldn't get on an OBS truck, like leather interior, heated seats, etc. If you like the creature comforts, you'd probably prefer a Superduty. Personally, I prefer the OBS trucks, and have found that the difference in power between them and the Superduties is easily overcome. I'll cut and paste a passage from a friend's website to give you an idea of what to look for in a used truck:

Things To Look For When Buying A Used Power Stroke Diesel

Turbo:

You might take the air tube off the back of the air filter and look inside of it. If there is dirt build up, that is a very bad sign, so are the turbo fins looking sand blasted or bent. A little oily film is normal since the valve cover breather exits inside the tube.

Airbox:

Check the two bolts holding down the airbox lid. If they are plastic with a square recess, it is a recalled part. The recall is expired, but without the updated lid the risk of dirt infiltration is greater, the lid was updated with more supports and the updated bolts are metal with a straight slot. If it is the old style, you spend around $80 to update it.

Tranny:

If you buy a truck with an auto tranny, finding out if it's been maintained is essential, as the E4OD is an expensive transmission. Also, (if auto) seeing if the truck has an auxiliary transmission cooler would be worthwhile. For sticks, listen for clunking when shutting off or small vibration while operating. It could be an indication of a dual mass flywheel going out. Many have replaced them with single mass units.

Rear Gear Ratio:

4:10 will pull better, get slightly lower mpg’s and run a higher RPM compared to 3:55.

Coolant:

Ask the previous owner about the coolant - have they been adding FW16 or DCA4 to keep a proper SCA level? It is very important for stopping cavitation. You can get test strips to check the SCA level from NAPA, International, or Ford. I would test the current condition while looking over the truck, the SCA level should be between 1.5 and 3.0. Also, see if it has a block heater (it was an option on 97's).

Front end:

Check the front end for wear, or have an alignment shop check out the ball joints and steering linkage (tie rod ends). If they are shot, it is spendy (all four tie rods are around $400 just for parts, ball joint labor is also very spendy)

Oil:

The questions to ask are how often the oil was changed (at least every 5,000) and what kind of oil they used (diesel rated)? An oil analysis could tell you if there might be an engine problem or not.

Aftermarket stuff:

Seeing if the truck has got an aftermarket downpipe would be nice, a chip, or gauges (pyrometer, trans temp, etc.). Ask about any added items and who installed them.

Glow Plugs/Relay:

Find out if the glow plugs are in good working condition as well as the relay. Ask if either has been changed and when. You can check the glow plug resistance through the valve cover connector if needed, and the relay should have power to both large terminals on top when the key is turned on, and one of the terminals should go out before ~2 minutes.

Injector o-rings:

The injector O-rings have been known to be a problem. The new o-ring sets have a pink middle seal. If the truck has an o-ring problem, one of the signs can be a discoloration of the fuel in the filter bowl. There is a drain on the passenger side front of the filter bowl for draining water (the filter is also the water separator) and you can catch some of the drained fuel in a jar – it should be dingy yellow and not blue or dark.

Leaks and Drips:

You can check the valley between the heads of the V8 for moisture and/or fluid. It should be dry not wet. Most leaks will run through this valley and down the back of the motor dripping off by the tranny/engine coupling.

VIN number:

If you take the VIN to any dealer, they can tell you when it was built, when it went into service, and some of the work that might have been done on it. You can also run prospective VIN's through Carfax.com to see the title history.
He's an old school, OBS guy like me, so some of this is aimed at the OBS trucks. but a lot of it applies to Superduties, too.
I hope this helps.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 08:39 AM
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Quadzilla gave you an excellent start, I would add that I am partial to the stick shift. The diesels have 500 ft lb of torque and pretty routinely eat the torque converters for lunch, and the rest of the transmission, if worked hard. You can overcome those problems with a transmission cooler that does a better job than the factory one.
The sticks have thier own issues with clutch failures sometimes, but it's less often and less expensive to fix.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 10:41 AM
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Quadzilla & Kwikkordead, thanks so much for all of the helpful info. I will be printing this out and going off to look for a truck with paper in hand (seller will think I'm some kind of fanantic)! I knew I could count on you guys for awesome help, thanks again, aloha.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 10:50 AM
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Oh forgot to add that I'm also a OBS guy. Just seems that it's gonna be difficult to find a OBS that has resonable milage and in good shape. But I will keep looking, thanks again.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2005 | 11:39 AM
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one other thing... i think the OBS trucks had better ball joints... the superduties have a sealed unit from the factory that is junk... if you buy one of the sd's from a dealer, make sure he replaces these... take it to an independant mechanic to confirm... this will save you hundreds of $ within 2 years... if you take it back to the stealership for warranty repair... you better have a REALLY GREAT warranty, or you'll pay for this fix... other than these ball joints, my 02 mule,(7.3 SD SRW 4x4 F350), has been awesome..!
 
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Old May 7, 2005 | 07:55 PM
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Hey guys, I'm so stoked I thought I'd update you on my find. Just bought a OBS 97, 4x4, cc, E4OD, PSD w/ 60K miles on it. Did the carfax check to find it was owned by a coorporation first, then a private owner. I had a friend in the area check out the truck and he said it was a "go". Having it shipped home, once it's here I probably will be asking alot of questions since it's my first diesel. Thanks for all the information given, it definitely helped with the purchase, aloha.
 
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Old May 7, 2005 | 08:04 PM
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congrats...! you'll love your truck, especially when you get to tow something heavy with it...!
 
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Yeah, I loved my old truck so much but was a gasser. This one is everything I loved plus the PSD. Thanks.
 
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