gas prices..........
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Well at least you didn't say that you get Unocal because it's better than ARCO!!
When I lived in Ca in the 70's I hauled fuel oil from Bakersfield to Long Beach every day.
I would load up at the Mohawk Refinery in Bakersfield (later Getty, later Texaco, later Chevron-Texaco, Now Shell, soon to be either closed or someone else!!!)
Anyway, I watched all the gas haulers loding up across the yard and I saw EVERY name you can think of and a great many No-names loading up there from the same loading rack! I never saw them adding "secret sauce" in any of the trucks!!
Up here in the great North West, most of the gas haulers load up at the ARCO refinery in Anacortes, WA.......so if you go to Chevron to get your favorite designer gasoline and you think you're getting super special speed juice....you're getting ARCO!
It's amazing how many people over the years have been duped in to thinking that there's a difference in gasolines! Espcially in Ca where the CARB has mandated that the new reformulated gasoline mix is completely controlled by the state....it's an integral part of the emissions system in all cars!!
Cheers,
Rick
When I lived in Ca in the 70's I hauled fuel oil from Bakersfield to Long Beach every day.
I would load up at the Mohawk Refinery in Bakersfield (later Getty, later Texaco, later Chevron-Texaco, Now Shell, soon to be either closed or someone else!!!)
Anyway, I watched all the gas haulers loding up across the yard and I saw EVERY name you can think of and a great many No-names loading up there from the same loading rack! I never saw them adding "secret sauce" in any of the trucks!!
Up here in the great North West, most of the gas haulers load up at the ARCO refinery in Anacortes, WA.......so if you go to Chevron to get your favorite designer gasoline and you think you're getting super special speed juice....you're getting ARCO!
It's amazing how many people over the years have been duped in to thinking that there's a difference in gasolines! Espcially in Ca where the CARB has mandated that the new reformulated gasoline mix is completely controlled by the state....it's an integral part of the emissions system in all cars!!
Cheers,
Rick
Originally Posted by Campbell 56
No more Unocal? Hey maybe I can buy that big orange ball from the station owner then. It'd look pretty cool hanging from my living room ceiling fan! I haven't seen what Arco is charging. They're located out of my normal paths to work, fast food, the hardware stores and auto parts shops.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but they're not the same. You're right, the gasoline sold by the different companies comes out of the same pipeline/refinery, but once they get their hands on it some DO put additives in it.
My car will tell you that not all gasolines are the same (and I'm not talking different grades). When I first bought my car I would fill up at a green station because it was on my way to work and school. After owning the car for 4 months it would miss every once in a while, especially going up hills. I thought it needed a tune up, but that didn't help. Someone sugested it was the gas I was buying. At that time there was a red station advertising that there gas cleaned the engine and after 5 tanks you would notice a difference, so I gave it a try. My car has not driven crummy since.
The gasoline all comes from the same place, put whatever the various companies do after that is NOT the same and it MAKES a difference.
My car will tell you that not all gasolines are the same (and I'm not talking different grades). When I first bought my car I would fill up at a green station because it was on my way to work and school. After owning the car for 4 months it would miss every once in a while, especially going up hills. I thought it needed a tune up, but that didn't help. Someone sugested it was the gas I was buying. At that time there was a red station advertising that there gas cleaned the engine and after 5 tanks you would notice a difference, so I gave it a try. My car has not driven crummy since.
The gasoline all comes from the same place, put whatever the various companies do after that is NOT the same and it MAKES a difference.
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No bubbles here!
I believe you're partially right but the additives are not necessarily made by the company that markets the gasoline. I can give you plenty of examples of the opposite happening to me and others where they had problems with cars that they thought was fuel but discovered that it was water/contaminents in the fuel or system and NOT the actual brand.
You can get a lot of info on fuel additives it by visiting these links: http://www.lubrizol.com/FuelAdditives/introduction.asp
http://www.lubrizol.com/ReadyReference/GasolineDieselFuels/default.asp
Lubrizol is not a fuel retailer and you cannot go to a Lubrizol gas station and buy their products. The refiners do buy their products. You might get Lubrizol additives in any number of branded gasolines and each additive will have a several different brand names, and be the same. The ASTM, SAE and the API have determined standards that each refiner complies with. The EPA (and each state EPA) has the final say on additives in over-the-road motor fuels..... Certain additives ARE different in different areas of the country because of air quality (MTBE, ETBE, Ethanol, Methanol, Toluene (in AVGAS), etc, etc). Tetraethyl lead was of course banned in the 70's
I have tried every brand out there in my gas power boat, cars, airplane, and diesel powered cars and trucks(autogas is FAA approved in a great many airplanes nowadays).
I have never detected a difference. I don't know any one who has.
I worked in the oil fields for several years and worked around refineries too....the joke around the oil fields was always how a lot of people think there's a difference in retail motor fuels (other than octane number...which has in the past been a source of fraud too).
Every gasoline retail company claims theirs is "better" They usually use testamonial "evidence" to back up the claim.
Regards,
Rick
I believe you're partially right but the additives are not necessarily made by the company that markets the gasoline. I can give you plenty of examples of the opposite happening to me and others where they had problems with cars that they thought was fuel but discovered that it was water/contaminents in the fuel or system and NOT the actual brand.
You can get a lot of info on fuel additives it by visiting these links: http://www.lubrizol.com/FuelAdditives/introduction.asp
http://www.lubrizol.com/ReadyReference/GasolineDieselFuels/default.asp
Lubrizol is not a fuel retailer and you cannot go to a Lubrizol gas station and buy their products. The refiners do buy their products. You might get Lubrizol additives in any number of branded gasolines and each additive will have a several different brand names, and be the same. The ASTM, SAE and the API have determined standards that each refiner complies with. The EPA (and each state EPA) has the final say on additives in over-the-road motor fuels..... Certain additives ARE different in different areas of the country because of air quality (MTBE, ETBE, Ethanol, Methanol, Toluene (in AVGAS), etc, etc). Tetraethyl lead was of course banned in the 70's
I have tried every brand out there in my gas power boat, cars, airplane, and diesel powered cars and trucks(autogas is FAA approved in a great many airplanes nowadays).
I have never detected a difference. I don't know any one who has.
I worked in the oil fields for several years and worked around refineries too....the joke around the oil fields was always how a lot of people think there's a difference in retail motor fuels (other than octane number...which has in the past been a source of fraud too).
Every gasoline retail company claims theirs is "better" They usually use testamonial "evidence" to back up the claim.
Regards,
Rick
Originally Posted by j gibbs
I hate to burst your bubble, but they're not the same. You're right, the gasoline sold by the different companies comes out of the same pipeline/refinery, but once they get their hands on it some DO put additives in it.
My car will tell you that not all gasolines are the same (and I'm not talking different grades). When I first bought my car I would fill up at a green station because it was on my way to work and school. After owning the car for 4 months it would miss every once in a while, especially going up hills. I thought it needed a tune up, but that didn't help. Someone sugested it was the gas I was buying. At that time there was a red station advertising that there gas cleaned the engine and after 5 tanks you would notice a difference, so I gave it a try. My car has not driven crummy since.
The gasoline all comes from the same place, put whatever the various companies do after that is NOT the same and it MAKES a difference.
My car will tell you that not all gasolines are the same (and I'm not talking different grades). When I first bought my car I would fill up at a green station because it was on my way to work and school. After owning the car for 4 months it would miss every once in a while, especially going up hills. I thought it needed a tune up, but that didn't help. Someone sugested it was the gas I was buying. At that time there was a red station advertising that there gas cleaned the engine and after 5 tanks you would notice a difference, so I gave it a try. My car has not driven crummy since.
The gasoline all comes from the same place, put whatever the various companies do after that is NOT the same and it MAKES a difference.
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you guys have all the luck.
Today i filled my daily driver up and the cheap gas cost 10.99 NOK( 1 litre)
1 Gallon = 3.8 litre
7 NOK is about 1$.
add .50$ for premium and you will start crying too.
I WANT YOUR PRICES!!!!
Today i filled my daily driver up and the cheap gas cost 10.99 NOK( 1 litre)
1 Gallon = 3.8 litre
7 NOK is about 1$.
add .50$ for premium and you will start crying too.
I WANT YOUR PRICES!!!!
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It's hard on folks to have prices going up on something as essential as gasoline. But like I said earlier in this thread, even 3.00 a gallon is still cheap by global standards. Especially when you factor in the other positive economic factors in our great country, USA!
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There's probably another way to look at it also,
Since the tax share is low in comparison to other countries,
More of the money spent on motor fuels goes directly into the economy instead of going into the tax base. Taxes produce no products and high taxes have never improved any economy!
Since the tax share is low in comparison to other countries,
More of the money spent on motor fuels goes directly into the economy instead of going into the tax base. Taxes produce no products and high taxes have never improved any economy!
Originally Posted by azwafree
It's hard on folks to have prices going up on something as essential as gasoline. But like I said earlier in this thread, even 3.00 a gallon is still cheap by global standards. Especially when you factor in the other positive economic factors in our great country, USA!
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This chart is from CNN's website. Gas prices around the world expressed
in US dollars per gallon. Interesting?
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Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12
in US dollars per gallon. Interesting?
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Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12
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