In case you missed the press conference GM has woke up the GTO, 400 HP 395 FT/LBS of torque. 0-60 in 4.2 sec. If I remember correct. The Mustang is a nice looking car but just like in 1965 the Mustang was no match for the GTO, not even the 289 Hi Performance 271 HP. I have driven and riden in both the 65 versions and the 05 versions.

 

I have ridden in what is essentially a 05 GTO (a Holden Monaro with a Gen IV).
And it goes like stink.
VERY quick car.

But what is this bonnet scoop, air vent ???
I am one of those silly Aussies that preferred the car with its previously subtle, yet handsome styling...

Fake bonnet scoops and air vents certianly aren't going to win me over...

A great thumping V8 on the other hand

 

Go test drive the highest class 69 or 70 Stang against the highest 69 or 70 Goat. Boss 429 would whoop a Judge.

By the way, the GTO is still no match for the Shelby Cobra Mustang coming out next year, as it is only a few grand more than the GTO with TONS more performance. Same with the '03/'04 Cobra...they would whoop the 400 HP GTO.

 

No, not in 4.2 seconds. That's the new vette. The new GTO does 0-60 in 5.1 seconds, which is 0.2 seconds slower than the 4.9 seconds to sixty that Mustang GT was just retested at now that it's broken in (I can't remember what mag, i think it was "Automobile" or "Road & Track").

 

Buddy just bought one. I'm in absolute lust!!!! You and I are two of the few that liked the understated styling of the '04 GTO. The new scoops don't bother me that much........still understated compared to recent Pontiacs and even a lot of Mustangs. That car was obviously faster than our Lightning(but I always won our street races cause he couldn't drive )


My buddy says there are a few '04 GTO's left that they are giving away. I'm really torn waiting for the Shelby/Stang or getting a 350HP 6 speed rocket NOW!!!! I'll give up the 50HP to save the 5-6K.........or I'll wait for the 450HP stang that'll be around 10k more. I'm sooooo confused

 

Zeta is the platform that was recently killed, at least as far as north America is concerned. It was posted in the Automotive News today (thanks to the guys at regalgs.org for posting it), but we got word a week ago in an internal memo.

 

You are remembering wrong. The 400 horse GTO doesn't do 0-60 mph in 4.2 seconds, not even close. In fact, it's barely quicker 0-60 mph than the Mustang GT which is supposedly giving up 100 hp to it.

The GTO is a perfect example of GM's current inability to give the customers what they want. They have a 400 horsepower relatively affordable car and yet there is no real demand for it. Wonder why?

 

They have a 400 horsepower relatively affordable car and yet there is no real demand for it. Wonder why?

One word- styling. Works down under, doesn't work here- simple as that.

 

This say's alot....

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0502_trio/

Road Test: 2005 Cadillac CTS-v vs. 2005 Chrysler 300C SRT8 vs. 2005 Pontiac GTO

Wish they would have put a mustang in the bunch....

 

I wouldn't dream of doing such a thing. How Rude!!

(We ARE allowed to have a sense of humor around here, right?)

 

I like the look of the new mustang and I think chevy will get in the ring and put the "new" camaro in production. The Camaro was generally a little quicker than the Mustang bone stock. Here is a pic of the Camaro concept
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...09phr_5camaro/

 

Could was never the question. The question was would. This is not chevy, but the caddie quote from one of the writers "That's less than half a second behind the $190,000 Lamborghini Gallardo's time (and we've never been able to find the Lambo's back seat)." Found on page 6.

You think a 4.6 liter at 300hp is going to keep up with the 400/425 hp levels of the caddie/GTO/300C I mean I know you are FE's and all but did you really want imbarrised?

On Edit: That Camero looks ugh like a ford stang blah. everything is good except that front end. chop that off and start over.

 

As far as NA is concerned yes.
Holden now has the developmental lead on the ZETA platform.
I have actually had the oppurtunity to get a ride in a vehicle on the ZETA platform around the block (a pre build Holden milage accumulation vehicle).

Holden will be engineering cars for the US with the ZETA architecture.

Holdens ability to create really good cars for little dollars is starting to be recognised in the GM world.

Here is a trivia question for you, how much do you think it cost Holden to develop the car which the Pontiac GTO is based on?

US$50million!!!

BTW greasemonkey, that link supports my claim that Holden will be engineering the next Camaro...

 

The quoted 0-60 figure is quicker for the GT 'stang, but there is a lot more to a performance car than its 0-60 time.
I still cannot understand the likes of magazines which quantify cars by the amount of G's it can pull on a skid pan, what its 1/4mile times are etc.

A sports/performance/muscle car is not about how much hp it has, it is about the "aura" of the vehicle.
A performance vehicle is not a practical vehicle, and it should not be judged as such.
It is a luxury item, and its what makes you happy, not necessarily what is the quickest.

My car for example (on standard tyres) is capable of a 11.42s 1/4. The car could be a whole lot quicker (the trap speeds indicate this) as it is really undertired.
I love this though, still struggling for traction above 100mph in a road car is a hair raising, but adrenaline filled experience.
Yes my car could be quicker, but for me, I don't think it could be more FUN, and thats whats important.

Anyway I would amost garuntee that in any other form of accel. test the GTO would win (the Mustang's gearing is set up specifically for 0-60 times).

Having said that I would take the Mustang (Red, GT, Manual thanks) over the GTO, it just has that "Aura" that a GTO doesn't have.

 

Not to change the subject (that happens a lot around here) but didn't Holden do most of the work on the Buick Lucerne project? I'd have no problems if Holden did pick up the ball on a Camaro project.

re: GTO costs. That's dirt cheap! Sooo...since they saved a few hundred mill on the development side, couldn't they have added a few sheckles for a re-style for American tastes? Just thinking out loud, mind you....(that happens a lot too)