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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 04:13 AM
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Honda 2 strokes

Im gonna buy a bike this week, I made up my mind.
Its gonna be a CR 250 most likely, I heard from a friend that they stopped, or are soon to stop making 2 strokes. IS this a true story or what?
I want a 2 stroke definately, gotta love em, I was looking on the website they showed no 2 strokes, or maybe ive had a few too many tonight to see where they are.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 10:10 AM
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If you go under motocross instead of off-road they still have some 2 strokes in production.
Looks like the biggest is a 250.

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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 10:16 AM
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i have a yamaha banshee twin cylinder 2 stroke, this year is 2005, listen to me now, litterally they have been saying NO MORE 2 STROKS AFTER THIS YEAR, for ten years,
i have litterally been hearing that 2 stokes were not gonna be made the next year. and year, after year, after year, the 2 stroks are back,
i'm not worried about 2 stokes going away.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 10:51 AM
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They same the same about 2 stroke boat engines...
 
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 11:15 AM
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2 storkes are scary poweful, but I hear they have to be rebuilt once a season, is this true?
 
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 02:26 PM
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I also heard they are illegal or soon will be too. Who knows, i cant see them stop production, 2 strokes are awesome, loud and peppy.
Thanks for the info guys.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 03:14 PM
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2 strokes don't need to be rebuilt every year, they hold up very well. Sure wouldn't be good for racing motorcycles or quads if they did away with them.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 09:25 PM
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2 Strokes rebuilt every year?
Tell that to my 12 year old oil injected Mercury.

Not make anymore? Eventually, but don't hold your breath.
The fact is, they started pushing for this due to the image of "smoking, oil burning, noisy" 2 strokes.
Fact is, modern 2 stroke technology has brought the emissions down to the point that many are equal to their 4 stroke counter part. Now, add to this the weight advantage (4 strokes are heavier, of course), and you can boost economy by sticking with an oil-burner.

I'm an avid fisherman, and own a bass boat, so I have watched this debate rage on for quite a while.
The advent of big (200hp +) 4 stroke outboards was supposed to eliminate 2 strokes from the market. Yet, all it has done is provide an incentive to the industry to improve their technology to keep up.
Granted, my knowledge is for the most part pertaining to outboard engines, but, the concept carries over into any power product.

All they really needed to do with the 2 strokes was get them to meet the modern emmisions & pollution controls standards. And they have done so, and then some, so the government has really backed off the issue.

Now, if they could just make one that was as quiet as a Mercury Verado, I'd be one happy guy. Sneak up on the fishes at 80MPH, that's how to catch em, yeah....
 
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Originally Posted by FERacing66
2 storkes are scary poweful, but I hear they have to be rebuilt once a season, is this true?

Yep! 2 strokes are powerful. Use to ride an old 76 Suzuki RM 370. Man, that was fun.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 06:19 AM
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A mate of mine has a KTM 300 2 stroke. Ridiculously powerful (when its going)
I had a Yamaha YZ 250. Powerful, and really reliable.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 07:15 PM
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I went today after work to apply for finance. I probably wont get accepted but its worth a shot.
2005 CR 250 and ill put about 2grand down on it if im accepted.
I cant wait to ride.....
 
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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DainBramage is pretty much right on target.. (BTW the Verado is a supercharged four stroke I believe.)

Not only do I own one, I work for a Marine Dealer/Manufacturer. I install virtually every type of Marine engine, 2 stroke Carb, 2 Stroke Direct Injection, both the older version, Ficht, now just DI and E-Tec outboards. Also, on occasion, those Black-Motors-Which-Shall-Remain-Nameless. And the rare H or Y motors too.

The steady rumors of the demise of two strokes has been around for years, and it is absolutely not true.

The current product line of E-Tecs can, and do meet 2008 CARB and EUROCARB specifications, with room to spare. They’re lighter and far less complex than a comparable four stroker.

Now, don’t get me wrong, four stroke outboards have a place, but at this point, many of the competitive branded four strokes, including the four strokes we sell under the Johnson Brand have a very tough time keeping up with an E-Tec. While both use almost the same amount of fuel, some models we offer even beat the four strokes on emissions and fuel economy. Not to start an off-topic debate, and has beaten most of the competition hands down in power and speed. (Ok you can go cuss for a while, I’m not getting sucked into that never ending argument)

What will soon be gone are the carbureted two strokes, they simply won’t make the cut when the 2006 emission standards go into effect.

If you like to work on your own outboard, better get one this year, because next year, or the year after you’ll have to have a computer and a box full of special tools to even begin to service a new one. I bought a PDA just for the new engines.

From what I've seen in the trade mags, most recreational two stroke engines will either be direct injection, or gone.

(I won't give up my two stroke Lawn Boy for love nor money! Older n dirt and still two pulls max to start! Cuts better and is easier to push. And, it's never been fed anything but Outboard Motor oil either )
 
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 08:40 PM
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2-Strokes rule!!!
I'm a big snowmobiler racer and the power-to-weight ratio is unbeatable! Now that they are meeting emission standards they are no longer, or not as much, being threated for extinction. Plus the sound of a 2-stroke ported, polished, "improved", and aftermarket pipes is soooo beautiful!!!
 
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 10:31 PM
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Spot on.
Not much beats hearing a worked over 2 stroke in its powerband at WOT.
Oh glorious glorious noise...

I think I am going to need some new pants
 
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 10:38 PM
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I'll never forget the sound of the 1979 yamaha F100 we had. 100CC 2 stroke, no silencer in the exhaust, what a beast.. The thing would run 45mph with me on it (I'm 6' and 265lbs). It was a blast. I put it back together after my little brother told me it needed a carb. I looked it over and it was fine, put it all back together and 2 kicks later it was running... The cluch was a bit finicky, but it was a good running bike.
 
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