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Old Mar 29, 2005 | 11:13 PM
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Engine hesitation

New motor, 422" FE, Holley Truck Avenger 670, I have a hesitation off idle, timing is at 15* BTDC, and vac advanced is connected to the port just above the idle mix screws.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2005 | 11:00 AM
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Re-jet the carb, sounds like you need a stiffer shot of go-go juice.

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Old Mar 30, 2005 | 02:06 PM
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how is the fuel filter
 
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Old Mar 30, 2005 | 02:20 PM
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You need more of an accelerator pump shot probably (or might have TOO much).

When you do this, does it spit black smoke out the tailpipe(s) ?

If not, whatever the Avenger used to adjust the accelerator pump needs to be increased. On the standard vac-sec 750 I have (had) that was done with a pump cam that screws onto the throttle plate lever.

Also, based on what you say, you may need a bigger "shooter" - the actual holes that spray gas into the barrels. This will increase the initial shot of gas into the engine even if you dont' change the pump cam. Check out what to tune on your specific carb.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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I agree with Krewat. You need to define your hesitation. Is it just when you nail it from a cruise? Does it kinda sputter and then pick up? Or is it just a brief lag and then go? If it's the latter it's in the accelerator pump somewhere. The cam will change when and for how long the shot comes. But if that doesn't cure it you need the larger squirters.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2005 | 07:28 PM
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First check the accellerator pump adjustment. If It isn't squirting as soon as you move the throttle the motor will stumble off idle every time. Rarely will idle mixture cause a stumble and usually timing won't either unless it is retarded too much and that doesn't sound like your setup.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 10:50 PM
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engine hesitation

Now that i have got the exhaust hooked up and drove it a bit more, i can say i have more of a miss rather than a hesitation. It idles neer perfect, however if i crack it just a tad, less than 1/4 throttle, it has a definate steady miss. at more than 1/4 throttle, it clears up and runs like a champ. So it is near impossible to cruise because the motor just misses. What you think?
 
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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 12:41 AM
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adjust the low speed mixture scews.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 08:13 AM
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Yep First off...Check the clearence on the pump..it should be touching..no slack at all...and yet not putting any pressure on the pump arm....And I dont know..If those carbs come with the anti backfire blowout prtection for the Power Valve or not??

But if they didnt?? and it has sneezed thru the carb (backfire) you may have blown out the power Valve....which is located on the Primary metering block...

Good Luck!!

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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 11:53 AM
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If it idles near perfect then the power valve is ok unless the idle mixture screws are all the way in.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 02:42 PM
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The idle mixture screws will have no effect once you crack the throttle. The intermidiate circuit is in control by 1000 rpm.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 05:59 PM
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The idle mixture screws will have no effect once you crack the throttle. The intermidiate circuit is in control by 1000 rpm.
Read what he wrote "It idles neer perfect, however if i crack it just a tad, less than 1/4 throttle". So if the power valve was bad it would not idle near perfect. You are wrong about the idle circuit, it dumps fuel at idle, off idle, half throttle and WOT. Otherwise it always dumps fuel and is part of the fuel used at part throttle thru WOT. What did someone add a valve that shuts off the fuel flow, I don't think so.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2005 | 08:52 PM
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Actually the idle mixture screws contol the mixture below the throttle plates when they are closed and there is high manifold vacuum. As soon as the butterfly opens just a couple of degrees the idle transfer holes are exposed allowing more fuel in because the ones below the butterfly now don't have enough vacuum to get enough fuel in by themselves. The further the butterfly is opened the greater the drop in vacuum and the idle circuit and off idle circuit are nearly dead. Velocity now takes over in the venturi and creates high velocity at the center of the venturi that creates a low enough atmospheric pressure that gas is pushed through the main metering sytem into the low pressure zone. In between these two functions there is a gap that needs to be filled and thats where the accelerator pump comes in.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 12:28 PM
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Actually the idle mixture screws contol the mixture below the throttle plates when they are closed and there is high manifold vacuum. As soon as the butterfly opens just a couple of degrees the idle transfer holes are exposed allowing more fuel in because the ones below the butterfly now don't have enough vacuum to get enough fuel in by themselves. The further the butterfly is opened the greater the drop in vacuum and the idle circuit and off idle circuit are nearly dead. Velocity now takes over in the venturi and creates high velocity at the center of the venturi that creates a low enough atmospheric pressure that gas is pushed through the main metering sytem into the low pressure zone. In between these two functions there is a gap that needs to be filled and thats where the accelerator pump comes in.
Listen close, If there is any vacuum in the manifold the idle mixture ports bleed fuel, they have to. The idle bleed ports are in the throttle bore just under the throttle valve where any air flow will pull fuel also, again they have to. That is why all fuel to the engine is fed thru the main jets so that they control total fuel to the engine. I been to way to many carb schools to beleive what you are saying. Just not the way carbs fuel systems work.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2005 | 12:34 PM
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Adjust the mixture screws

I had the exact same problem with my carb. All I did was richen up the idle mixture screws. Turn them counter clockwise half a turn at a time and test drive it until it smooths things out.
 
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