I'm planning on buying an 05 SuperDuty in 2 or 3 months. I have done a lot of research, including reading a lot of posts here. This would be my first stroker, although I do have a 7.8L turbo inline 6 in my deuce & a half. I love the sounds, smells, power, etc of a diesel. I WANT a Powerstroke but I'll have to admit, I'm having some concerns.

I am 100% Ford, the others are not even a consideration for me. I've owned at least 15 Fords. I'm just wondering if I should go with a gasser this time around.

I will be towing heavy loads occasionally. Realistically a V-10 would be great & even a 5.4 would fill my needs 95% of the time. I only drive my truck about 6000 miles a year & will probably keep it 5 or 6 years, so the mileage of a diesel will never pay for itself. This is a major purchase as you all know. Both of the gas engines seem to be solid & have few problems. I am willing to fork out the additional 5 g's for a diesel but hate to get stuck with a bunch of problems.

1. I know there is a lot of griping about problems here. You probably never hear from a lot of satisfied owners. But really, what percentage of 6.0's really have problems?

2. When will the next interior restyling & engine be offered?

3. What do you think?

Thanks for your comments

Mark

 

Welcome aboard Mark.

1- You're right, you never do hear from most of the happy 6.0 owners, but some of us are here. And I don't think there are any real % numbers out there. Some will say 30%, some may say only 5%.

2- The next major changes are due model year 2007.

3- If you are planning to sell 5-6 years from now, and only drive about 6K a year, and a V-10 will suit your needs, save the 5K and get the V-10. ( 1st time I've said that LOL)

 

Hi Mark..

My 05 engine has been really great so far.. Runs 'very' well.. I have had some trouble with the drivetrain though.. Rear end rebuilt, as well as the 'torquey' trans at 2K..

We have an all Ford fleet and nothing has worked better for the severe conditions these trucks meet on a daily basis.. Glad to hear your not bending the 'other way'

I have a V10 in the shop as we speak for a leaking/coolant head.. This is the 'second' time the heads have been off this particular truck.. First time was on Ford/warranty for it 'spitting out' spark plugs..

This is also my second 6.0.. First was an 03 (early) and it always ran well, but had to many issues to enjoy the new truck feeling, so I traded it for the 05..

My ONLY GRIPE with the 05 is the 'trans clunk' on the 2-3 upshift (even after the rebuild).. Other than that a FANTASTIC running and SOUNDING rig..

GO Diesel!!!!!!!!!! The power/performance add ons are a plus as well.. You can can build MUCH more power if desired with the diesel than with gas..

Either way... Good luck with your purchase...

.......................HP..................

 

Get the diesel - you won't be sorry! Hopefully diesel fuel will be cheaper than gasoline this summer - that would be my only concern but you don't drive enough miles to really worry about it. If you are from Carthage we may know some of the same people. Kurt

 

1) How many thousands of trucks does Ford sell per year? I do not know and until you see that number one can not really give a % of how many have issues. IMHO, if Ford was having a lot of bad failures then it would be more public, not just on this forum. This is a Ford based forum after all and people usually don't speak up saying "no problems", so you are going to hear more about problems here then your real world percentage.

2) I have heard 2007, once again, from this forums only. Not heard a squeak from anywhere else.

3) Tough call. Today you don't need a lot of towing. Can you fortell the future and say that two years from now the extra abilities of the diesel won't be needed? I was in your boat two months ago and I went diesel for the "better safe then sorry" logic. Currently I only pull around a '69 mustang and the occasional u-hall trailer. I don't know what I'll pull 2-3 years from now, but I'll be able to pull it!

 

After I bought my '05 F-250 PSD, I started reading about the troubles some people were having with their trucks and I started getting really nervous. I was wondering if I made the right decision buying this truck, because I work out of my it, and if its in the shop I can't work. I was such a nervous wreck I couldn't enjoy my truck for the first 1500 or so miles. I now have 5,000 trouble free miles on it, and I love it more every day! As far PSD or V10, for your needs, I think you would be happy with either one.


Good luck, and enjoy whichever one you decide on getting!

Tim

 

Within five years you'll still get the resale value of the 6.0 that you paid up front. There's nothing like a diesel, but the v10 is also nice. My choice was the diesel although I put more miles on per year. And I intend on keeping this truck forever and then some. The majority of the problems with the 6.0 have been resolved as of 04/05. The transmissions??? The torqueshift is now available with the v10. If there are going to be problems with it, they'll surface there too. As for EGR and some sensor issues with the 6.0, they seem to be resolved easily and/or Ford already has. Block plate oil leaks have also been resolved at manufacuring. The 07 will most likely have a different engine. The 6.0 will be sadly short lived. But it should not be listed as a lemon engine. Mine is very strong with never a problem. I am approaching 10,000 miles on it now. Bone stock. Last fill up was 612 miles on the trip odometer, and 34 gallons. 18mpg.. Do that with a v10 that really likes premium gas when towing a load. I'll stick with the oil burner and a manual transmission. The v10 os also available with the 6spd.

 

with no more then you plan on towing and the cost of diesel its a no brainer get the gas engine, my 6.0 gets poor mpgs and its not likely that the price of diesel will go back down. The jury is still out on the resale of the 6.0,I have had mine for sale for 3 monts in the truck trader only one call,and the truck is in perfect shape and its a crew cab 4x4 XLT with low miles.

 

You would get the extra cost back on your resale . The 6.0 value is still there on resale . Plus remember the warraty advantage with the diesel . If you sell in 4-5 years and only drive 6,000 a year you would still be under warranty with the 6.0 . The V-10 would be on its own for 1-2 years with no warranty . Just a thought . I also believe that the new 6.0's have no more problems than any of the major diesels out there .In 2004 Ford sold 912,000 Trucks . 60% of them F-150 . They also set a record for the sales of a diesel for the month of July in 2004 . If there was that many problems would Ford be setting record sales for the 6.0 ??? Hmmmmmmmmmm .

 

the warranty is 100k or 5 years, I BELIVE so it would also be out of warranty. also if the 6.0 is such a great engine why are they going to something else in 2007. Just a thought, I like the power of mine but the dependablity is just not there. when compared to the 7.3.

 

Mark250-

I've heard/read there are some 6.0's that have problems- Although I've never actually met anyone with a problem 6.0 and I have been driving & pulling with my 6.0 CC for over 2 years with nearly 50,000 miles. Ford trucks are very popular in Northern Utah- I know many other 6.0 folks driving quite a few different configurations such as: F450 (utility truck), E-550 (concrete cutter), F350 (numerous SRW & several DRW) & F250's. Not one of these 6.0 vehicles has problems!

Funny, the only Ford SD owner I know that wishes he had a different engine is a customer of mine that just today (at 10:15 AM MST) told me he should have got the 6.0 rather than his V-10! I tried not to rub it in and simply told him that I sure liked my 6.0 but didn't mention anything about The 6.0 Grin

 

ITS funny cause I have omly met a few that are not having problems,I have omly 1 major problem on mine now it gets no fuel mpgs,and when you use your truck to make your living it is a killer. I have a friend that has a early model 350 DRW and it has never been to the shop, but it only gets 10 to 12 mpg. I just dont understand how some of these guys get such good mpg and mine does so bad and I have tryed everthing.

 

Again you are making a broad statement from your point of view that all 6.0's are not dependable . And I refuse to buy it . The 6.0 is dependable . I made a mistake in the above post . There was 939,511 Ford trucks sold in 2004 . 60% were F-150 . That means 375,805 were F-250 350 450 and so on . I have read somewhere that 80% of superduty trucks are sold with the 6.0 diesel in them . That means there are about 300,000 6.0 diesels sold in 2004 . If they were so undependable you would here a lot more negative than we do . Just look at FTE . How many members here continuely post negative post on a regular basis .You can count them without using your toes .

 

My new 05 is great...one month old.... I almost have 100 miles on it...I really need to go drive it.....soon, soon

 

I just dont understand how some of these guys get such good mpg and mine does so bad and I have tryed everthing.

Wait a minute...did anyone feel the earth shake? I think it just moved off it's axis from the shock....I absolutely have to agree with tn mac.

IMO, the variance in MPGs from one 6.0 to the next is at almost mystical proportions. Driving style, road conditions, weather, inflation of tires, mods, or Jupiter aligned with Pluto instead of Mars, not withstanding.

We see posts from around North America regarding this phenomena and there seems to be no consensus with the possible exception that there is no consistency.

I give benefit of the doubt that anyone that can afford a 6.0 diesel, generally speaking, can properly do the MPG math. With that said, we continue to hear 20 + hywy and as little as 11 mpg highway or 16+ city and 8 mpg on the low end.

Now...don't get me wrong. I am not complaining as I did not buy my truck with any regard to MPG. Just posting observations. I bought it 'cause I wanted to and I could. But, I did anticipate better than I get.

Whether friends or just good acquaintances I know of over 20 people with 6.0s and they all have a different fuel consumption story.

Take the dreaded EGR valve out if the picture and it is my feeling that MPG is the most mysterious issue engulfing the 6.0 today...thru all three model years.

So why is the MPG so variant? Haven't got a clue. I do know though that as the price of diesel spirals upward, it will become a major, major issue for Ford and all the domestics.

BTW just as an FYI: I get 13.5 MPG city...16.5 MPG Hywy which I would consider normal if my EGR valve hadn't fell off, and something hadn't changed the programming, and if I wasn't using PowerService at each and every fuel up.

Sorry for the mini novel but since I actually agreed with tn mac I felt this compelling need to justifiy / explain my reasons.

Sorry tn mac, I'll try not to let it happen again. I think this is 2 or 3 times now.