I have to agree with fonefiddy's approach. Ask up front, be honest and fair. Maybe what we're talking about is the difference between a "quote" and an "estimate".

If I quote a firm figure on a job it's always something obvious, that's it, and it's usually pretty straight forward. If there's the possibility of buried rock or additional obstructions there's a "rock clause" to cover my time and expense when I'm digging.

Toy, if you go thru life hoping/trying to get folks to take on jobs with additional risk at no additional cost to you, you'll one day learn of the headaches you caused yourself!

 

That guy used autolite GP's and a faulty controller burned um down. He learned the hard way to use only Motorcraft/Beru GP's in the IH GP holes

 

What are you talking about? All I have been saying is if some jack@$$ wrecks a motor cuz he doesnt do something properly (no matter how much he quoted me) I am pretty sure that guy is going to take responsibility. I love the typical mechanic/technician responses though. You actually think that the poor sucker who dropped off his truck to get the GP's changed should pay the $2000 to overhaul the motor? If a tip fell into the cylinder and he tried to blow it through, then realized that something wasn't right when the motor went "BANG" he has a problem. The head was taken off to get to the next cylinder, too late. Maybe I'm lucky. The mechanics that work on my stuff would never expect me to pay for something they did wrong. It's call "running an honest business".

 

Oh yeah, motorcraft/beru are the only GP's that should be considered. True dat.

 

[QUOTE=toyrobotus] All I have been saying is if some jack@$$ wrecks a motor cuz he doesnt do something properly (no matter how much he quoted me) I am pretty sure that guy is going to take responsibility.

I have to agree with you 100%. The jack@$$ in your example is the person who burnt the GP's too long and caused the tips to end up on the pistons.

 

this thread is so over

 

I have a 92 E350 with the 7.3 and i had to do the ether trick for a while. Made a hose running down into the air intake. Finally i replaced the O-rings on the injectors becuase a mechanic told me i was losing my fuel prime. Starts right up now.

 

I realize this post is old but I wanted to share what I've seen ether do. Ether completely shattered number one piston and sleeve in an 8630 john deere tractor and i believe this was on startup

 

its one thing to twist a few glowplugs off in the head, mash the tips back down into the hole, reinstall glowplugs and fire the truck up with a hope and a prayer that it will blow it right through an exhaust valve and have nothing more than an annoying rattle in the muffler.
its another thing to twist one or 2 off in the head WITHOUT mashing them back down in the hole, calling the owner up and saying hey look, we twisted one off in the head, the safest thing to do now is to pull the head off, extract the tip, put the head back on, since this is what i do for a living, i will pay for labor and you can pay for parts, we will have your truck running in a week.
The other possible option is SINCE YOU HAVEN'T YET MASHED THE TIP BACK DOWN INTO THE HOLE is to fire it up and run it with a slight risk and give them instructions on how to oil the tip up every once in a while and eventually, it should pop out. i have done this to my truck, it took 3 months for that tip to pop out of the hole, but i had a spare g.p. and a 3/8 deep socket on a 1/4 inch ratchet in the door pocket of my truck ready for it to happen all the time. i guarantee that if you did it just like that, you'd still have a customer in the end. either that, or tell them they could trailer the truck to antoher preferred shop and let them crank on it for a while and blow the motor. its better for a hot tempered customer to get all fired up over something that you haven't yet done than to actually blow his motor, then tell him the bad news

 

Thats thats what happens when you throw someone onto a machine that has no idea how to use either. I start tractors, 6.9/7.3s and Hyundai excavators (5.9 / 8.3Cummins) with either and have never had a problem.

 

89ford,

"...give them instructions on how to oil the tip up every once in a while and eventually, it should pop out."

I have a friend with 2 GP's broken off and tips stuck in the head. He's started it up every day and let it run for 1/2 hour or so hoping it would eject.

Any tips I could pass on as to what kind of oil and how frequent to apply?

If you removed the lower extension off the old GP and screwed it back into the head to plug the hole and ran it that way would it generate more heat to disolve the carbon, or is there perhaps a distorted piece of metal binding in the hole?

He says he'd not removing the head! I'll copy this thread and give it to him.

 

I think that your primary problem is your gp's,why is everyone so scared to change them??I have changed mine several times,eldest son can't count to four with the manual switch ,always leaves them on too long! I had swollen tips but they finally do come out if you go at it easy with a little oil after they are out halfway.If you put in a fresh set of gp's I am sure it will fire up since it seems to fire up with ether (bad stuff !!!).Also if the tank had 3year old fuel in it I would flush it out and replace it..Let us know how things go****
Saigon
1986 6.9 manual switch Bosch gp's fires up in 4 seconds

 

ditchwitch, just drive the truck like you stole it, run it with 6 glowplugs, it will not hurt anything, it took 3 months for mine to pop out, just always be ready for it. i was idling around the ranch one day and it just finally popped out. nice little ding in the hood, but just drive it every day and sometime when you get to thinking about it, just spray some wd40 down into the hole, be generous with the stuff, it is lodged in there pretty tight, but don't try to poke it down into the hole, just let it brew in there and eventually it will come out, if it dont, then just leave it alone and get real acquainted with the ether if it dont want to start. but every time i pull g.p's out, i work it back and forth real easy, you only get one chance. i heard of a guy that had a tough one to get out, and he got it to where it would unscrew all the way and just turn in the hole, so he put an imact wrench on it and spun it and oiled it up and it eventually came out, that was on a powerstroke though, under the valve covers, so it was more of a priority to get it out now, you know? they should put a real good article, or maybe even a chapter in the haynes book about what can go wrong and all the options may be to extract it, i heard of one guy that started with a tiny drill bit and drill it out, then go to a bigger one and so on till he finally got the biggest chunk out, but that seems like more of a risk than just trying to let them pop out by theirselves.

 

I think he has been using WD40. I will pass on your info. We installed 6 dual coil GP's and it starts fine (at least when it's above 50 deg.) even with two holes not sealed. Thanks. again. len

 

The easiest way to use ether that I have found is:after the initial turn over, DON'T turn the key to the OFF position. By doing this, you do not reset the GP system and it doesn't reactivate. spray some ether and go straight to start. I've done it this way often with my older 6.9. As someone else said, it sounds like you have a fuel-drain-back problem. Also, if at all possible, get some one else to spray the ether,after the engine is turning, less chance of ether lock that way. good luck Phil