Given my situation, which engine?
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You know all the facts about diesel engines living so much longer than gassers were true before the exhaust gas recirculation ( EGR ) that we have happening in the newer diesel engines. What we have now is soot going back into your motor. Go over to dieselstop.com and download pictures of plugged EGR valves, black soot. If you think these motors are going to still be healthy 10 years from now you are a lot more optimistic than I am. In 07 Ford is going to yet another PSD. Three and a half years to sell a motor than never did live up to its expectations. The 7.3s were better on fuel and far more reliable. Who would want to own a 6.0L that was off warranty. Not me . I don't really care if my V10 has less resale. I paid 5000 less to start with and I can afford to fix a V10 that is off warranty. The majority of Diesel owners are trading there trucks in fairly often and the diesel is great for that because of its high resale. I say if you are going to trade the diesel often and always be covered by warranty, fill your boots but if you want to keep a truck 10 years stick with the 7.3 or go V10. Wrench.
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" 7. Reliability is paramount to me. Overall cost of ownership second. MPG third. Resale fourth."
If reliability is paramount to you, forget the 6.0 PSD. That poor thing has been plagued by problems since day one. Go poke around for about..... 12 DAYS, and read about it. Gambling on a $45,000 experiment isn't worth it IMHO.
The V10 will serve all of your needs and more. Remember it now has 350 HP or close to it. It has a new 3 valve head, but other than that it is a proven motor and passed the "spark plug stripping" issues of the 99-2001 (at least I hope so).
Your cost of ownership will be based on how long you keep it. The diesel is NOT cheap to maintain (nor is anything else for that matter), and once out of warranty VERY expensive to repair. Just something to think about
If reliability is paramount to you, forget the 6.0 PSD. That poor thing has been plagued by problems since day one. Go poke around for about..... 12 DAYS, and read about it. Gambling on a $45,000 experiment isn't worth it IMHO.
The V10 will serve all of your needs and more. Remember it now has 350 HP or close to it. It has a new 3 valve head, but other than that it is a proven motor and passed the "spark plug stripping" issues of the 99-2001 (at least I hope so).
Your cost of ownership will be based on how long you keep it. The diesel is NOT cheap to maintain (nor is anything else for that matter), and once out of warranty VERY expensive to repair. Just something to think about
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195,500 on my 01 PSD the only thing I have had to replace is a starter and 2 battries!! It will all depend on how many miles you will be puttin on this new truck!! Less than 15,000 miles a year get the gasser!! 30,000 miles a year get the smoker!! Between that thay are both great motors!!
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Haven't bought anything yet
Originally Posted by nisiar
Tthree,
So, what happened, did you go for it?
So, what happened, did you go for it?
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i own a 2001 v1o, go with the PSD, a real truck and a real engine
im not happy with the gas mileage and the sound of the v10, power is good,
also changing the spark plugs sounds like a nightmare, im affraid to change mine, dont want one to blow out after im done.
im not happy with the gas mileage and the sound of the v10, power is good,
also changing the spark plugs sounds like a nightmare, im affraid to change mine, dont want one to blow out after im done.
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I don't understand something, who out there actually bought a Super Duty thinking they were going to get good gas mileage, especially with the V10, I know I didn't? Granted, the PSD does get better mileage but to say "real truck, real engine" doesn't make sense to me. If memory serves me correctly, a Super Duty with a V10 and Super Duty with a PSD is the same truck, just different engine. Just because a Super Duty has a PSD in it doesn't make it a "real truck" or any better for that matter. I know I don't buy a truck because of the way it sounds either. I do agree about the plugs though, changing them can be a bit of a job, but with a little patience and time, it's actually pretty easy, I've done it on at least three different occassions on two different trucks. As far as "real engine" goes, I'd put my V10 up against any diesel! 
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didn't mean to offend anyone, gosh
anyway, lets break it down,
REAL TRUCK REAL ENGINE (falls under poetic license)
I also didnt by the truck thinking it was going to be fuel efficient(it was just a comment, not a purchasing decision, and the mileage does suck, litterally)
REAL TRUCK (encompasses all super duties)
REAL ENGINE (again just a comment, not a knock against the v10)
SOUND (well sound is one of the senses so it is some thing that I have a hard time not noticing)
but thanks for agreeing on the plugs,
now that that is over
what kind of plugs did you put in and can you share any insight on changing them.
Thanks
anyway, lets break it down,
REAL TRUCK REAL ENGINE (falls under poetic license)
I also didnt by the truck thinking it was going to be fuel efficient(it was just a comment, not a purchasing decision, and the mileage does suck, litterally)
REAL TRUCK (encompasses all super duties)
REAL ENGINE (again just a comment, not a knock against the v10)
SOUND (well sound is one of the senses so it is some thing that I have a hard time not noticing)
but thanks for agreeing on the plugs,
now that that is over
what kind of plugs did you put in and can you share any insight on changing them.
Thanks
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From: Kokomo
As a 5.4 owner and soon to be a V-10 owner, one thing is nice about a diesel, went to Fl. this winter in the truck and got 11.3 mpg, if I had been in a (good) diesel I would have got 18+ I can see where this would add up after a while, and lets face it you do get your money back for the diesel when you sell it, so (if) you can get a good one, and if it gets good milage, and you can afford to carry the $6,000, you could really come out ahead. I am going with the V-10 because I mostly plan on staying around town and not pulling to heavy, nice to start up and go and not really have to think about it, I also like power and if I had a 6.0 I would have to have the hottest programmer (chip) I could find, then turbo, tranny, .....
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Originally Posted by joecool
didn't mean to offend anyone, gosh
anyway, lets break it down,
REAL TRUCK REAL ENGINE (falls under poetic license)
I also didnt by the truck thinking it was going to be fuel efficient(it was just a comment, not a purchasing decision, and the mileage does suck, litterally)
REAL TRUCK (encompasses all super duties)
REAL ENGINE (again just a comment, not a knock against the v10)
SOUND (well sound is one of the senses so it is some thing that I have a hard time not noticing)
but thanks for agreeing on the plugs,
now that that is over
what kind of plugs did you put in and can you share any insight on changing them.
Thanks
anyway, lets break it down,
REAL TRUCK REAL ENGINE (falls under poetic license)
I also didnt by the truck thinking it was going to be fuel efficient(it was just a comment, not a purchasing decision, and the mileage does suck, litterally)
REAL TRUCK (encompasses all super duties)
REAL ENGINE (again just a comment, not a knock against the v10)
SOUND (well sound is one of the senses so it is some thing that I have a hard time not noticing)
but thanks for agreeing on the plugs,
now that that is over
what kind of plugs did you put in and can you share any insight on changing them.
Thanks
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This whole debate is kinda funny. I’m reminded of how it was back in the days when your options in the F series trucks were the proven 300 CI Inline 6 cylinder, the reliable small blocks (302 and 351) and the serious big block 460. Buyers then had to make the same kinds of decisions that we are discussing here. Those old sixes have pulled and hauled countless millions of pounds over countless millions of miles. A 460 could have done it better, but not everyone could rationalize the added expense up front and the higher operating expense. The cool thing about our options today, is that the power plant at the top of the ladder has better performance, better economy, longer warranty and much higher resale value. To me that is a no-brainer. For others an Inline Six if available would still make sense. Go figure...
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From: Kokomo
I would jump on the inline 6 if it was a option, my old 4x4 with the 300 was a pullin mother! Man did it sound good, had a header and 3in. exhaust all the way out, no cat or muffler, got great milage and had a ton of power, a much better engine then my 5.4!
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I would not clasify my old inline 300 as the strongest motor I ever owned. But I will call it the most bullit proof. I hate to think of the times that danged thing got ran out of oil or water. Too far to walk or hitch so just smoked and limped to a place to fixe her and once cooled down, leak fixed and re filled kept right on trucking. If that motor was in a medium duty truck today I would give it a serious look.