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I hate to sound like an putz but due to liability reasons I can't provide any measurements for you other than what is posted in the front lift gallery. Infact based on some of the e-mails and PM's I've receieved I'm going to pull that gallery soon as well. The lift is VERY easy to do and I'm always happy to help people out but there are a lot of people who don't have the fabrication skills or common sense to make it work and they're still trying it. This can be dangerous and my fear is that it's going to come back and bite me one day when someone's booty fab brackets fail and they wreck. I'm not insulting you or implying in any way that you're not capable of building it, I just want you to understand my position and why I can't provide much more than pictures for you. I'd really hate to see a federal law passed restricting any custom fabbed suspensions because of people building dangerous contraptions.
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Originally Posted by ivanribic
I'd really hate to see a federal law passed restricting any custom fabbed suspensions because of people building dangerous contraptions.
This goes for you, too, Pro...
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Bwahaha! Truth is though all it would take is ONE major accident caused by a poorly built truck to get the ball rolling. Some former soccer mom would be on the stand crying about her 2 quadriplegic kids and they could shut us ALL down. There are some people that just aren't cut out to build stuff like this but they'll try anyway and that's the scary part. I won't ever attempt open heart surgery because I know I couldn't pull it off no matter how many pictures I saw of the procedure. Why do people who can't fabricate attempt to do it anyway?
piperig, Just take your time with it and build using the stock hangers as templates. That's what I did.
piperig, Just take your time with it and build using the stock hangers as templates. That's what I did.
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Originally Posted by momudder720
This goes for you, too, Pro...
Its kinda like the same thing why I won't teach most people Kenjutsu. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing...
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Yeah when i made the shackles/hanger/shackle brackets, i made sure i could lay a good strong beed that wouldn't break under any circumstances (but as for anything else of this nature, if the far extremes are reached, it will break, but if something like that does break, the whole truck would be in a pile), and then if it wasn't up to spec, i redid the weld (the proper way too). They may not be the prettiest things made, but the measurements that are vital are dead on.
But like Ivan said, take your time and use the stockers as templates, then make it stronger, also i would make a pratice one of everything you want to make (i made a practice front hanger before i made the final ones), then that way you won't have any surprise's when you make the ones that are to go onto the truck you have.
But like Ivan said, take your time and use the stockers as templates, then make it stronger, also i would make a pratice one of everything you want to make (i made a practice front hanger before i made the final ones), then that way you won't have any surprise's when you make the ones that are to go onto the truck you have.
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Boys boys boys. There's only one way to do this. Get a patent. Go to a company with your design and with your vehicle as a tester show them that it works. Firstly you could make a pile of money, and secondly you can help people by showing them how to do it.
If it were me I'd put it all together myself and start up my own business. Get it approved and then sell it.
If it were me I'd put it all together myself and start up my own business. Get it approved and then sell it.
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, I think you might be on to something here moose.
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Have you looked into the cost of buying a patent? It's more than I have sitting in my piggy bank right now. Several companies already make aftermarket lift parts like we've built, they're just not anywhere near as strong.
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No kidding. Copyrighting doesn't cost anything, but to be worth anything you need to register the copyright, I think it only cost me $75 for that. Actual patents take a long time and cost more than a pair of loaded dynatrac 60 front ends 
Even then, if somebody steals and sells your design its still up to you to hire an attorney and go after them. That whole process costs $$$ too. This is why you'll see allot of stuff copyrighted, but not patented. A copyright is insurance, a patent is a guarantee, but ultimately the cost of the patent and then if you actually have to go after violators makes them almost not worth it. At least, for our little stuff. If I invented a Mr. Fusion you can bet your socks I'd patent it.
Even then, if somebody steals and sells your design its still up to you to hire an attorney and go after them. That whole process costs $$$ too. This is why you'll see allot of stuff copyrighted, but not patented. A copyright is insurance, a patent is a guarantee, but ultimately the cost of the patent and then if you actually have to go after violators makes them almost not worth it. At least, for our little stuff. If I invented a Mr. Fusion you can bet your socks I'd patent it.
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I remember one of my buddies 2 years (science fair projects) was looking into getting a patent for his science project (a thing that made cheap filters that could clean bacteria from water, work damn good too--thats the short and simple version of it) it was going to cost him something like 7500 bucks to get this device copyrighted, once he found that out he didn't even bother to puresue a patent any further.
Hey Pro, you're startin to sound like you know "one" of those guys, eleventy zillion hp??? (i just noticed that btw)
Hey Pro, you're startin to sound like you know "one" of those guys, eleventy zillion hp??? (i just noticed that btw)
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Originally Posted by mustange70
Hey Pro, you're startin to sound like you know "one" of those guys, eleventy zillion hp??? (i just noticed that btw)
I wondered how many people would notice that. I did it to make fun of "those" guys. Kinda a pet peeve of mine.
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Guess what Ivanita: I borrowed a welder today from some dude i know pretty well that he said I could take home and learn how to weld (long term hopefully) It's just a little 110, and i need to get new tips for it, but it's yet another thing to help me not to focus on my schooling lol. Of course it's too small to reinforce frames for power steering, and I dont trust my skillz anyways since i just fired it up today (catch my drift ) i guess i really didnt need to post, so now i'll just get back into my hole and leave everyone alone again. lol
) i guess i really didnt need to post, so now i'll just get back into my hole and leave everyone alone again. lol
, those guys sure can be a pain, good to read about when having a bad day though.