That's right I broke my BTS
The original trans went 136,000 miles
The BTS trans went 36,000 miles
Not to happy right now that is a lot of money for so few miles.
Looks like I am going to get a John Wood tranny like we have in the wifes truck.

GENE

 

One more reason NOT to get an automatic !!

 

How long have you had the BTS? There's a two year warranty on them. Even if your warranty has expired, call Brian. There's no telling what he'd do to make it right.

 

Yea - I thought that was the whole POINT of a BTS?? Aren't they garunteed bulletproof???

 

Have you talked to Brian yet? No matter how old it is or how much it cost's him, he will make it right. Give him a call.

 

The warranty is not the whole issue

I have had the trans for 17 months

I have been working with John , and he is also building a trans for my race truck so why not have him fix my tow vechicle for my race truck ??

and he is only 4 hours away and I get to play on the dyno too.

GENE

 

Real curious to the driving style that broke the BTS. Anything that would cause premature failure?

 

So, what is the purpose of your post?
To enlighten us about John Woods tranny's?
Seems like you already had your mind made up on the fix prior to posting.

 

BTS is a good tranny but everyone needs to know there not bullet proof
Parts break and fail
I think that we are going to the next level of transmissions
Just my $.02 worth

GENE

 

I agree, BTS is an excellent tranny and it is good information to know that even a BTS will fail in certain situations.

Doesn't hurt to shop around and get input about other trannies as well.

So, I'll bite, do you have a link to 'John Woods" tranny web site? Does he have one?

 

Your post over on TDS says you race it and do burnouts. What do you expect!! I don't do those sorts of things with my stock tranny and I've never had a problem with it!!

 

I have been around diesels a very long time, I have seen some bogus stuff come and go. And when something bogus comes along there is usually a foul smell about it. I say something smells fishy.
I have seen this exact post by Gene in more than one forum.
For anybody to take the term "bullet proof" literally is simply idiotic. There is a saying we were told in engineering classes. 'If it was designed by man or built by man, A man can destroy it.' I will tell you to right here and right now from experience I can break any body's trans if I wanted to, just give me a day with it, not even 36,000mi. I have seen Lencos,Allisons, Mack, you name it break, and they are a hell of a lot sturdier then a built E4OD/4R100/Torqshift.
I have never heard Brian say his this trannies are bullet proof, unbreakable, or imply that they were. For those of us who have been around for a while know full well that this is not the first BTS to break. I have no problems with John Woods or any other trans builder as long as they do good work and stand behind their work, especially with the premium price people pay for their work. Now BTS' track record, and history in dealing with such issues were to hold true (and we have no reason to believe otherwise) then one call to BTS will get you a new trans shipped to your doorstep, and shipping of your old trans back to BTS no questions asked and it all would be FREE. In light of this I can see no reason not to have BTS do your warranty. Surely your doorstep is closer then 4 hours away. In another forum your sig indicates your truck makes 380h/p, for only 380 to blow a built trans like that there would have had to be either a catastrophic failure of a component that was unforeseen which is not a problem exclusive to BTS. This type of failure can happen to any trans, by any builder. Or you were set on breaking this trans, and so thats what you did, supposedly broke a BTS. Then that begs the question, why? Why break a trans and boast about it in several forums, then not have the trans replaced no questions asked for free? Yet brag about a competitors trans being better, and state the only reason is they are closer then BTS. Maybe the trans was tampered with to make it fail, and you do not want to let BTS see that. Maybe the other trans shop wants this kind of publicity to conger up business. If I were the other trans shop I would not want my name smeared over the internet in the way you have done. All the other trans competitors of BTS ie; Suncoast, Monster Box, Foubion, etc. have not resorted to smear tactics, this says a lot to their credibility. What does your post say about John Woods' ? Gene, I do not mean this post as a personal attack against you. You and I have never even met or talked. The truth be known I have never even owned a BTS, or met, or talked to Brian of BTS either. But the way you have presented this shines a suspicious light in your corner.

 

Bullet proof is a term I have heard on many sites and should not have reused it. I do not want the trans sent in for warranty have not bad mouthed Brian or his company, all I did was post that it broke and I am taking an alternative way to get it fixed. I PLAY I PAY that is the rules for the way I USE MY TRUCK. 4 hours is alot closer than I can get a trans shipped from Brian , that is my choice not yours. I enjoy my truck and if I want to do burnouts and drag race it that is my choice. I did not go out and try to break the trans , the day it broke I was leaving the stereo shop driving in traffic and when it shifted into 3rd gear it snapped and was at less than half throttle. Your so called smear tatics that I am using is all in your mind I have not said one bad word about anyones transmissions I don't know were you came up with that? It is my trans and I can take it anywhere to have it fixed. I am working with John Wood bacause he is building a trans for my race truck so why not let him fix my tow truck. You don't know me I don't know you lets leave it like that. I am not trying to hide anything in my corner

Just my $.02 worth of vent

GENE

 

I guess my answer to "why not let John fix your tow truck tranny" would be because you spent $3+K on your BTS, and only got 36,000mi out if it, why not talk to Brian and let him back up his product and provide you a new tranny. Who's to say your John Wood's tranny won't go out at 36,000mi like the BTS? I'll agree, it's hard to beat having John only 4 hours away. But I don't see the point in spending more money to get another tranny built, and throw away $3000 on your old tranny, that's a lot of money to let go in 17 months. Maybe you don't have the time either to wait for Brian to ship you a new one, we don't know the whole story. I'd say at least try to get your money out of your BTS, whether it be he sends you another tranny or what be it. Good luck with it!

 

OK Gene, you are right its your truck and you can do as you wish. I am pleased to see you take responsibility for your actions, it is rare these days. I have no problems with doing burnouts and racing, I bet BTS feels the same way. But doing burnouts is extremely hard on the torque converter when the tires finally catch and suddenly get traction at the end. But thats another subject. As far as the smear tactics, maybe I am wrong but it appeared that way after reading your same post over and over in several different websites. As far as you not badmouthing, and not knowing where I came up with that. Allow me to quote you a few times to show you where it came from.
Maybe I am wrong on that too, but I bet I was not the only person who interpreted it that way. You most certainly did not come out and say BTS sucks etc..., in fact you even mentioned BTS makes a good trans, which is a little contradictory, but so is life sometimes. I do understand the frustration you must be feeling, $4000 (the going rate) is awfully damn steep for a rebuild.
One last thought on letting a racing trans builder do a tow vehicle trans. This is not sarcasm but rather spoken from my own experiences and wallet if you know what I mean. I went through 5 rebuilds on my E4OD. Yeah 5 of them in 170k. Long story short I had several done by a Nationally recognized drag racing tranny guy out of the Chicago area. This guy builds some VERY stout drag trannies. He could not make the E4OD last behind a PSD. After some heated discussions, he did finally admit a towing tranny, especially a big trans like that, which is not normally used in drag racing was out of his expertise. I wish you good luck Gene.