SBV45 is totally correct - I used to fly twin-engine turbo-charged Cessna 402s and Piper Chieftans that used the Continental and Lycombing engines respectively with their turbochargers based on the Garrett designs. The absolute worst thing you can do to a turbo is shut it down at a temperature higher than 450 deg. F. This is the "coking temperature" for most oils. Some synthetics are higher and it also depends on the dissolved solids in the oil (the age of the oil). If you watch your pyro gauges, you will notice that after normal around-town, takin' it easy speeds, the first 20 to 30 seconds finally cool down to about 450 F!!! I have the Juice/Attitude combo that allows me to watch the EGTs. I do not shut it off UNTIL I am in the 350 F range.

Neurotic? Maybe, but I have had the pleasure of watching a very good friend get fired from the Freight-Dog job he loved due to the coking of a turbo because he didn't allow it to cool down. He was offered to quit or pay the $18,498 dollar cost of the engine repair. When you only make $21k a year, you can imagine which way he went...

FYI - 9/11 ended my career prematurely. Nobody is hiring and I was hungry - the choice was obvious.

 

Actually it's Navistar.

I thought Navistar changed Turbo vendors in the mid 2004/early 2005 model years?

 

They have been Garret since the introduction of the Powerstroke in '94, and still are all the way to 2005.

 

ha...it would have to run long enough to make it down the 1/4mile!

I am a Ford tech. If you guys love the 6.0so much, why are there so many whiny owners at my dealer all the time? I seriously see a turbo replaced once a week. Maybe you guys in the south have the "miracle 6.0's" that aren't a raging piece of poo. I am not trying to sound like a dink, but I am sick of all these whiny 6.0 owners coming in here. I should take a digital pic of the 6.0 in the back shop with blown head gaskets. You should see the way that thing is put together. just venting.....

 

Didn't they change some attributes to the Turbos? I know my 2003 engines Turbo is alot louder than the Turbos on the 04's and 05's..........

 

With your attitude, no wonder us owners who foot the bill are so whiney. Dealer service like this is one of the major reasons why there are unhappy owners. So as a Ford Tech, what are your certifications? Do you own a 6.0?

 

The loudness of the motor seems to be affected by which reflash it has. I know the very first 6.0's were alot faster and louder then even the first reflash.

 

I am not personally attacking you, but I seriously question your motives in this forum. After your little "hit and run" attack in the other thread just a few minutes ago, I have noticed that every post you have made here has been negative.

I am familiar with these engines, I have had many apart at work, I have had my trashed engine apart myself. I do not believe these engines are assembled or engineered poorly. It is a new design; it has had (as expected) some problems, and those problems are being resolved by Ford as we speak.

Do you think there is a reason that you hear from alot of "whiney" 6.0 owners? You are a technician, owners bring thier vehicles to you to have thier PROBLEMS solved. If there were no problems with them, you would not have a job, and neither would I. The next time you decide to troll-bash an FMC product, it might be in your best interest to pull your last paycheck stub out of your checkbook and look at the insignia on top of it.

The 6.0, IMO, is a very solid engine. You may have a negative opinion of it, but that is simply because you see far more of the problem trucks than of the good ones. How long have you been a tech? Do you remember the problems when the first, original PSD came out in 1994 and 1995?

I don't think that bashing an FMC product is a productive thing for either of us, nor anyone else here.

On top of everything else, one of the "inherent" design problems with this powertrain setup is a lack of technician training on the part of Ford, dealers, and the techs themselves. And yet, everyone wonders why Hotline is always busy and backed up

 

heavy line cert,diesel cert.what bill are you talking about.100 dollar deduct. for over 5000 dollars of work.how about the lack of maint you guys do on your truck.6000 mile an oil change.i cant wait to count the cust pay engines after 100000 miles.you are unhappy because your truck doesnt perform like you thought it should,last time i checked dealers do not build vehicles,ford does.so why is it the dealers fault ford has no fix for your 6.0. why dont you start pointing the finger in the right direction.

I would never own a 6.0. It's nothing like a 7.3.

 

If you are unhappy with Ford or the Ford customers, go get another job!

 

I agree with alot of what you are saying. Like I said before, I was just venting. The lack of training is unreal. I still believe the build quality is poor and the materials are not up to the standards they should be. I am not trolling. I just saw a couple posts that angered me. Half the time Hotline doesn't know what they are talking about. Ford motor company doesn't sign my checks. I am sick of customers thinking it is the techs/dealerships fault for the 6.0's problems.

 

if you are so unhappy,buy a different truck

 

I am not unhappy. Hate to burst your bubble, but I have an early 03 and I am very happy with it. It is a good running truck. It has had some problems that were all fixed by a dealer with a good attitude.

 

Who said we were unhappy....... I AM HAPPY WITH MINE AND COULDN't GIMME ANYTHING ELSE...............

 

I understand you are venting, but emotion comes out either very weak or very strong in text; PLEASE watch your manner of speech, in order so it doesn't do so.

Customers come to the dealer with thier problems because FMC as a corporation will not hear them, unless via DSB. Many of them feel there is nowhere else to go, therefore they come to the dealer. When we are unable to solve thier problems, THEY usually end up venting on US because they have nowhere else to vent (just as you were venting earlier). I will be perfectly honest- if I was a customer that had some of the problems these trucks sometimes display, I would be desperate and annoyed to. We simply have to keep this in mind when dealing with them.

Keep this in mind too; just picture in your mind how horrible the training provided to the technicians and SA's/SM's are for this complexity of a machine- now just imagine yourself as a customer...I don't think confusion could be any worse.

From a technical standpoint, diagnosis is the largest issue. I honestly believe there ARE serious problems with the electronics, poorly constructed sensors, ect. And alot of it is thanks to emissions with the EGR. Some of the problems may be customer/maintenance related, like you stated earlier, but that in itself comes back to poor training and poor customer information.

Hotline is just as confused, if not more so, than the poorly trained technicians, making the problem that much worse. You couple this with tecnicians (no offense, just like you) that are put out with the problems they see daily with this powertrain, and you get a compounded effect that usually ends up with a yet still malfunctioning vehicle, an aggrevated technician, an angry customer, a repair bill for nothing, and wasted time. It is like the merry-go-round from Hell.

I honestly do believe, however, that these engines will have the problems washed out of them. Granted, it may take a period of time to do so, due to the shear complexity of the system, but in the long run, technology will allow this engine to be just as durable and productive (if not more so) as the late model 7.3's. We simply have to tolerate the problems until R + D works it out.