Have you had all those problems? Did you modify after recognizing the problem? Did you modify after the problems started but before the problem was resolved?

 

Don't get me wrong SB, I am not Ford bashing just to bash. No I did not mod my truck before the problems started, but only after to get back some of what I was promised. (the mileage problem was never fixed, or really looked into for that matter)

15,000 miles, HFCM replaced, defective

20,000 miles, 4 injectors, transducer, FICM, 2nd HFCM replaced all defective, warranty claim was challenged by first dealer. Very displeased with Ford and their Feild representatives at this point.

Second dealer (whom I purchased the truck from) corrected the above problems.

35,000 miles, 3rd HFCM replaced. I cannot be buying this much bad fuel.

Never got over 16.5mpg hiway after the first reflash.

I was scared to death to mod my truck, especially after Ford tried to refuse warranty on it the first time. But after thinking about it for a while, I payed DARN good money for this truck to not live up to the vastly printed hype the motor company put out about it.

Enter the SCT 1704 tuner and synthetic oil Getting 19.5 hiway. on the performance setting. I am a reasonable man, $375 for the tuner, and $72 for synthetic rotella is worth the 3mpg, even if I had to pay something extra to get it.

I now plan on adding an exhaust and an intake system.

I am not the horsepower/ torque fiend that some here are, I just want what Ford advertised in the window sticker. 18city, 20 hiway, not 13.5 city, 15.5 hiway.

Ryan

 

I was just asking questions trying to understand the sequence of events. In analysis, the order of events is important.

Making modifications to get the performance you want is understandable.

3 HFCMs is hard to understand. How comfortable are you with the dealer?

You had mileage stated in the window sticker? Ford doesn't state mileage in the window stickers of F250's. Is this a California truck?

 

Actually, Ford does not have federal fuel mileages on the window sticker of the Superdutys--they are exempt from the CAFE standards, as are all vehicles over 6600? GVW.

 

Sorry SB, sometimes it's hard to tell how posts are written. No problem, I was just trying to say that there are a lot of happy SuperDuty owners, a majority of them will never come to this site. However it seems the general concensious (sp?) of this forum is that the ones who are unhappy are VERY unhappy. Either the problems are very minor, and the dealer takes care of them, or the truck is a complete problem child.

Well I really don't know what to think about the 3 HFCM, seeing as they were changed by different dealerships.

What I can say is that the last one is the only one that I got to look at apart. It was smooth full of garbage. It probably could be cleaned, but they change them, probably more cost effective from the cost of labor standpoint.

The first one the tech said the sensor itself was bad on the first one. He could make the water in fuel light go on and off by tapping on it or wiggling the wires.

As for the mileage, I stand corrected, I saved my window sticker, and dug it out and it is not on there. The dealer must have put that in my head.

All in all I love my truck. If i didn't travel out of state to work, leaving it for a few days at a time would not be that big of a deal, nor would return trips if they were making an honest attempt to correct a problem.

I feel really good about the dealership that I take it too, remember they got a warranty denial reversed for me. The actual performance of the truck has been fine since they replaced all the major stuff at 20,000. The fuel mileage was never there, and I really cannot say if the upper midrange surging was there before the tunner or not. Of course I only towed the trailer on one short trip before I bought the tuner. So I will try to figure out before I try to persuade the dealership to change the actuator, and then have the tuner reprogrammed.

Ryan

 

UP DATE as of today. FORD factory Rep will be in town Dec.6th he is going to take a looka t it and see if he can figure it out. I have contacted an attourney from SanAntonio Texas to see if he can get something done. It is going to cost me $300.00 but he said FORD will probally want to settle before we have to go to court. He seems to have alot more confidence in them wanting to settel then I do , I guess because of all the BS I have been through already. So here we go for our first 60 day notice to FORD that they are going to be sued. Wish me luck.

 

SB,

Those of us that have had problems are very dissapointed. I guess it's kinda like a woman having a baby-- those who have not experienced this just don't understand it. i hope your truck remains trouble free but understand that you will not understand the frustration until it happens to you. I've been a loyal fan and buyer of Ford products for 22 years...never bought or owned anything else. The dissapointment in my new F250 6.0 and the way it has been handled is not unfounded. Ford has a chance to save me and i hope they do, but you cannot deny that the 6.0 has had major problems too numerous to count and much too common. That is fact, not a bunch of feelings being overblown!

As for modifications, yea I admit I made a mistake by modding my truck before warranty was out. BUT it is sad when the problems are well documented and Ford knows the problems are their responsibility but choose to hide behind owner mods and use them to avoid processing legit warranty claims.

Beleive me, I wish it wasn't this way but facts are facts.

 

Sorry SB, I disagree. It's pretty easy to remove the tuners and mods most of us have installed...a few minutes at best. The problems don't go away when the "mods" are taken out of the picture. The management systems for this engine are flawed and in my opinion too complex for 90% of the techs at the dealers.

By the way, if the problems are so few and far between, why id there a class action suit against Ford by 6.0 owners?

 

Per the Guidelines no discussion of class action suits.

 

Sorry boss. Objection sustained.

 

I can just hope and pray that none of these nightmare problems will happen to my truck. I can understand the frustration of buying a new vehicle and having it perform worse than the one you traded in.

I have pretty much decided not to mod my truck until warranty is up or close to it. By that time I will be almost 30 and may not want to or risk the reliability (if there is some).

As for the tuners causing problems, they may aggravate an already weakened system. As for Ford, I can't blame them trying to deny modded trucks claims when they have already footed the tab for those who have pulled one over.

The best analogy I can give is coal miners and black lung disease. Yes the black lung is a health hazard that we can now control. In the same operating conditions a smoker who works in the coal mines is 17x more likely to develop the black lung or cancer. And guess who files lawsuits against the mining companies eventhough they have been warned of the risks of smoking and working in coal mines even though the use of tobacco is the primary cause.

I am not trying to start a war by any means. I wish we could all have 500 Horse and 1000 Tq and a warranty to back it. With that amount of power every single system on a vehicle has to be able to handle it. i.e. fuel, cooling, tranny, axles, turbo, electronics. Ford warrantied a truck with 325 HP and 560 TQ, no more no less. If they wanted to (or could afford) to warranty more power than that they would have.

If you change one thing, it affects everything else in some small way. Some mods more than others.

Maybe Banks should be the source your frustrations

 

Customz, I agree with you that the increased horsepower and torque affect other areas of the truck like the drivetrain, rearend and even tires maybe . The parts that are failing like rear main seal, exhaust leaks in the y-pipe, exhaust drown/moan and the injectors, just to name a few, affects stock vehicles just as often as the modified ones and Ford is blaming the aftermarket parts for this. I would not expect them to warranty my rearend if I was doing burnouts or drag racing but most of us in here don't and want them to warranty the items that are obviously not affected by any our tuners/chips.

 

Could not have said it better myself. I wouldn't even ask Ford to replace my rear diff if I was out power braking the truck and drag racing, but I want the known and common problems fixed under warranty! Like the faulty sensors and valves and surging and rough idle and... you get the picture.

 

I understand all of that. If you are so worried about your warranty don't give Ford any ammunition to deny you.

For instance:

1. Leaky rear main seal--Ford's answer: increased oil and tranny fluid pressures do to modifications made by the owner.

2. Faulty injectors--Ford's answer: owner modified vehicle with an aftermarket fuel module to cause the injectors to operate outside their design parameters.

3. Leaky Y-pipe: Ford can make a correlation with how the exhaust system is supposed to act and how it acts now with the owners aftermarket/modified exhaust system.

4. Turbo malfunction--Ford's answer: turbo operating outside designed RPM and boost levels due to decreased back pressure (aftermarket exhaust) and the use of an aftermarket computer programmer/fuel module.

Just an example of the approaches they will most likely use.

It sounds like you should have dirven the truck, broken it in (stock), and worked out any pre-existing faults with the vehicle before hot rodding.

 

It's gonna be REAL hard for Ford to hide behind that B.S. given the record of the 6.0 to date! I go back to the same point jasfaa made...there are more trucks with these same problems with no mods than there are with mods.