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That is SAD....you say your wife works for these people and they are going to make you pay to fix a warranty problem!!!...they must not have to many repeat customers if they treat you this way....I would hate to see how they treat real customers!!!...I hope this fixes your problem. Tim
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my04beast:
That sounds like a step in the right direction, but I would recommend NOT paying for it no matter what!
Have your Service Manager contact the Service Manager I have been dealing with @ Downtown Ford in Sacramento, CA. @ (916) 848-3100 and speak with a Mr. Greg Poppingo, because this is a warranty fix that Ford knows all about, but it is only about 6 to 7 weeks old now. I have been working with Greg to fix all of the problems on my truck and thankfully, after 3 months, replacement of nearly every sensor, we did it! Greg welcomes anybody to call him about what we did to my King Ranch and he will give an education to whomever needs it and what needs to be done.
Good Luck!
Jet-A
FYI: '04 F250 6.0L PSD King Ranch Crew Cab FX4 Long Bed w/every available option --Greg will remember this one.
That sounds like a step in the right direction, but I would recommend NOT paying for it no matter what!
Have your Service Manager contact the Service Manager I have been dealing with @ Downtown Ford in Sacramento, CA. @ (916) 848-3100 and speak with a Mr. Greg Poppingo, because this is a warranty fix that Ford knows all about, but it is only about 6 to 7 weeks old now. I have been working with Greg to fix all of the problems on my truck and thankfully, after 3 months, replacement of nearly every sensor, we did it! Greg welcomes anybody to call him about what we did to my King Ranch and he will give an education to whomever needs it and what needs to be done.
Good Luck!
Jet-AFYI: '04 F250 6.0L PSD King Ranch Crew Cab FX4 Long Bed w/every available option --Greg will remember this one.
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Originally Posted by my04beast
I can't say the symptoms gor worse after the mod, but maybe.
A post-turbo exhaust modification has no direct effect on any reading taken by the EGRVPS or EBPS. Both of these devices are mounted on the pre-turbo side of the exhaust system, either within the uppipe or from the front of the drivers side manifold. The extra exhaust evacuation on the turbine side of the turbocharger has no effect on the incoming pressure, and this totally eliminates the possibility that your modifications had and effect on the malfuction of either sensor.
Just my .02$
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TLW and Jet:
Thanks very much. My wife called the dealership GM and told him what was going on. He said he'd have the sensors replaced and we'd pay for nothing. he also said that if my truck was not ready by Friday that he would give us a 4x4 PSD crew to drive until my truck was fixed.
I feel much better now. Jet, thanks for the name of your Service manager. I may have mine call him if things don't work out before the weekend. I'm vacating tomorrow and Friday...time for some R&R!
THANKS AGAIN FOR THE SUPPORT
Thanks very much. My wife called the dealership GM and told him what was going on. He said he'd have the sensors replaced and we'd pay for nothing. he also said that if my truck was not ready by Friday that he would give us a 4x4 PSD crew to drive until my truck was fixed.
I feel much better now. Jet, thanks for the name of your Service manager. I may have mine call him if things don't work out before the weekend. I'm vacating tomorrow and Friday...time for some R&R!
THANKS AGAIN FOR THE SUPPORT
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Originally Posted by PSD 60L Fx4
Let me clarify something for you here...in spite of what the dealer says.
A post-turbo exhaust modification has no direct effect on any reading taken by the EGRVPS or EBPS. Both of these devices are mounted on the pre-turbo side of the exhaust system, either within the uppipe or from the front of the drivers side manifold. The extra exhaust evacuation on the turbine side of the turbocharger has no effect on the incoming pressure, and this totally eliminates the possibility that your modifications had and effect on the malfuction of either sensor.
Just my .02$
A post-turbo exhaust modification has no direct effect on any reading taken by the EGRVPS or EBPS. Both of these devices are mounted on the pre-turbo side of the exhaust system, either within the uppipe or from the front of the drivers side manifold. The extra exhaust evacuation on the turbine side of the turbocharger has no effect on the incoming pressure, and this totally eliminates the possibility that your modifications had and effect on the malfuction of either sensor.
Just my .02$
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From: Lynden, WA.
My $.02 worth...
Been there had the same problem. (With a BB460). I know, it was a gas engine, but they all suck and blow.
On the list of things to look at from SBV45 was a leaking intake manifold or (other vaccume leak)?
Now bear with me now, I'm not a Diesel Mechanic. But on a gas engine, One more thing that won't often show a computer fault is a mechanical fault. A weak or broken valve spring will give the same symptoms you've described. Checking spring height on the compression stroke prior to the absence of valve train overlap will indicate the one that's riding low. (or just pull the plug so there's no pressure in the cylinder. Cylinder pressure can actually close a valve.)
On the list of things to look at from SBV45 was a leaking intake manifold or (other vaccume leak)?
Now bear with me now, I'm not a Diesel Mechanic. But on a gas engine, One more thing that won't often show a computer fault is a mechanical fault. A weak or broken valve spring will give the same symptoms you've described. Checking spring height on the compression stroke prior to the absence of valve train overlap will indicate the one that's riding low. (or just pull the plug so there's no pressure in the cylinder. Cylinder pressure can actually close a valve.)
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Fixed soon...I hope
Jack, Thanks for your .02! I hope to hear from the dealer today. The EBP and ICP sensors have been replaced along with the EGR valve (along with latest flash)...still not right. They performed a boost test (VGT test, I think)and found a problem with turbo boost. I don't have a clear explanation yet, but I'll keep you posted. My dealership claims that Ford engineering had them perform this test and that parts will be in today to correct the problem. I should be able to pick the truck up Thursday or Friday. I will definitely let everyone know what happens!
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Vacuum leaks are a good trick on the 6.0. There is no manifold vacuum. It's all pressure. That is why there is a vacuum pump.
Nature abhors a vacuum!
Nature abhors a vacuum!
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No Good News
The final word from Ford on my truck is that the "Banks System" is causing my EGR valve to blow prematurely. They put a new one in and it failed after 97 miles. Along with this, just about every sensor on the truck has been replaced.
My dealer says i have to pay for the EGR valve and take up my problem with Banks.
I have no real idea, but my gut tells me there is more to this. Who wants to bet that even if i remove the Banks chip that my truck screws up...again?
My dealer says i have to pay for the EGR valve and take up my problem with Banks.
I have no real idea, but my gut tells me there is more to this. Who wants to bet that even if i remove the Banks chip that my truck screws up...again?
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No Vacuum in a 6.0... But there's a vacuum pump.
True, SBV45, but would you say that a "pressure" leak across intake runners would create the same "pressure imbalance", be it positive or negative, in the intake system. I say this, because my broken valve spring situation would actually clear up for weeks at a time. (the valve would rotate and the spring would catch on itself and actually sit at full height, then it'd slip again, and run rougher than heck not allowing the valve to close completely) Vacuum across the intake runners would be irratic at best. (And thank the man above that I didn't push things past 10.5:1 and more valve lift when I rebuild that 460 years ago)
I think I'm off on a tangent getting away from my04beast's issue with the EGR valve. But having not experienced issues with my 6.0 I'm looking to edumucate myself as best as possible for future experiences. Thanks for your input SBV45.
That said, I might be better off not continuing this in this forum thread.
So, with reference to my04beast last post, A new EGR valve has failed in less than 100 miles. What can cause an EGR valve to fail? The dealership is blaming the Banks add on's?
I think I'm off on a tangent getting away from my04beast's issue with the EGR valve. But having not experienced issues with my 6.0 I'm looking to edumucate myself as best as possible for future experiences. Thanks for your input SBV45.
That said, I might be better off not continuing this in this forum thread.
So, with reference to my04beast last post, A new EGR valve has failed in less than 100 miles. What can cause an EGR valve to fail? The dealership is blaming the Banks add on's?
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Steve,
The explanation I received from my service manager was that the added raw fuel mixed into the exhaust gas by running the truck at the higher (three and up) banks settings was "gumming up" the EGR valve, causing it to fail.
I have a thought on testing this theory by disconnecting the EGR valve with the ignition key off to disable the EGR valve in the closed position...any thoughts?
By the way, Ford seemed ok with me having the Banks system installed. They made me pay for the second EGR valve they replaced. I've contacted Banks and they want to see the documentation from my dealership, but seem willing to help.
I'll keep you posted!
The explanation I received from my service manager was that the added raw fuel mixed into the exhaust gas by running the truck at the higher (three and up) banks settings was "gumming up" the EGR valve, causing it to fail.
I have a thought on testing this theory by disconnecting the EGR valve with the ignition key off to disable the EGR valve in the closed position...any thoughts?
By the way, Ford seemed ok with me having the Banks system installed. They made me pay for the second EGR valve they replaced. I've contacted Banks and they want to see the documentation from my dealership, but seem willing to help.
I'll keep you posted!
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My new EGR valve didnt make 28 miles before it started the quite/loud idle routine. I did not have a box or chip installed during this period when it failed.I was still waiting for other parts (throttle peddel due to dead pedal), so I kept the truck bone stock. New EGR failed at 28 miles, so now it is unplugged, problem solved.
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Originally Posted by $trokin60
My new EGR valve didnt make 28 miles before it started the quite/loud idle routine. I did not have a box or chip installed during this period when it failed.I was still waiting for other parts (throttle peddel due to dead pedal), so I kept the truck bone stock. New EGR failed at 28 miles, so now it is unplugged, problem solved.
Is the quiet/loud idle the only symptom of a bad EGR valve you had? I'm curious because my truck has rough idle and surging. I never really noticed any quiet/loud idle variations