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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 02:58 AM
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Vacuum Mess!

OK I admit I screwed up! I couldn't get a stupid miss out of my engine so I decided to rid the motor of all of the vacuum lines, and pollution junk. So I dismantled all of the pollution canisters and filters. What I intended to do was just leave the basic vacuum lines. Sounded good...but now I can't figure out exactly what I need. I know I need one off the distributor, and one off the carb. Can anyone just give me the basic directions on "where to where" without refering me to a drawing. I have a 82 with auto. It is of course a 300-6. Thanks alot.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 03:48 AM
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The required vac lines need to be left where they are. Hopefully you haven't unhooked those as well. Plug the un-needed lines with a golf tee or screw with silicone on the threads. If you need to know which ones, check the vacuum diagram under your hood for what is normally hooked up. Personally I don't recommend this idea. Any smog engine is designed to operate with all those things in place and operational. The camshaft is even designed around this. You'll find the truck runs like crap after unhooking all those things, unless some of them are un-operational. The fact that a non-functional air pump exists is half the reason people unhook these lines, and they find the truck runs worse, if they notice at all. The only other reason to do so would be because you changed the intake manifold, carb and cam, and don't need these devices anymore.

Edit: As well, a serious performance re-build would also be a good reason to get rid of the extra smog crap. Glad the Canadian models came with very little of this.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 11:11 AM
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Still need info

Unfortunately I disconnected everything when I was replacing the exhaust manifold gasket. I went crazy taking out brackets, cannasters, and hoses that didn't appear to be needed. What I need is what are the bare minimum vacuum lines that need to be connected. Thanks.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2004 | 11:41 AM
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re: vacuum mess

Why not just get a vacuum wiring diagram and put it back the way it was?
 
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 04:27 AM
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I just want to know if the only lines I need are the one for the trans and the one from the vacuum advance on the distributor to the base of the carb. Most of all of my pollution crap is rusted and destroyed from the salt used to melt snow. There is no way the can and smog pumps are working.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 12:10 PM
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DEAR FELLOW TRUCKER 82 FORD SHORT BOX HERE. A good friend of mine got pulled over last week by a funny coloured car with a lady and a guy in it They told him they were from the enviromental group and they would like to see his fancy truck. After inspection They handed him a $500.00 dollar fine instantly and told him that the next time he was pulled over and it wasnt fixed right .The fine was going to double. You know the FUNNY part This guys a mechanic .Goes to show you Who has the power Ah. And Stupidity doesn't count DO IT RIGHT OR STAY AT HOME. PS Dont make a bad name for yourself and keep on truckin
 
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 01:46 PM
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I'm glad I live in Canada, my hauler doesn't have the smog crap on it, nor does it come with a cat on it for that matter....SMOG crap is just that, and does hinder performance over-all. One thing I have found, how-ever...any engine produced with this extra garbage on it, requires it to run properly, unless the engine is modded to alleviate that need. Cams come to mind especially here, as well as intake and carb. Most of the cannisters are there simply to allow a build-up of vacuum for low vac situations(like hill climbing) etc.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 06:12 PM
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You may feel the smog crap is a pain in the *ss, but our air in the U.S. is alot cleaner than it was in the 70s. Good public policy.
 
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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 09:24 PM
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Dear RR4E If you read my post which you must have and look over on the top right hand corner you will see that i am indeed from Ontario CANADA. And that is the law in canada , you will only pay 500 bucks once , then 1000 and then when you go to get your license sticker Youll see what happenes then. Just play straight get the facts and for sh-t sake stay out of trouble it reflects upon us all ,US or Canada. Happy Trucking Oh By the way mine is an 81 With cat and Air and yes you need to have it. this is the law good or bad
 

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Old Oct 23, 2004 | 10:36 PM
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Geez....you would think I was letting a nuclear bomb loose or something! In a year or two the sucker will qualify as an antique and will not be subject to any of the smog regulations. Besides, do you really think any of your pollution crap is working anyway? With all of the junk used in fuel today most pollution junk is burned out after a few years. Ever wonder why your cat converter doesn't stink after a few years? Its because the sulferic acid has already eaten up the pellets in the converter. Hey...I thought this was a automotive site...not a save the earth web page. Somebody just answer my original question without preaching about me being a bad enviromentalist!
 
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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 07:22 AM
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feel better now?
 
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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 08:42 AM
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Hey bow249, I`m going to go out on a limb here and try to help you because I know nothing about the inline 6 and it`s vacuum hook-ups but with it being a 1982 model, I am almost sure it has no computer garb on it that would affect timing, air/fuel ratio etc. by you removing the defective smog equipment. If that`s the case, you are right that you will need to have the one for the distributor and tranny. You will also need the little round canister on the fender that helps operate all of your vacuum operated motors for your heater/AC controls to work right. There should also have been a charcoal filled canister that was connected to your vent line on your fuel tank. There should also be a line going up to your air cleaner that opens the flapper in the air horn. You can probably do away with that as long as the flapper is in the open position. It will take longer to warm your truck up without it. You also need the line going to your vacuum booster for your brakes. I would think that these six systems would be about all that you need on your 1982 and that probably amounts to almost all that you had anyway other than the smog pump/junk etc. If you email me a pic of your engine compartment, I may be able to help you a little better because like I said, I know nothing about the I6 and what was on it. I will also look at my 1982 Bronco 302 and see what all it has on it and where it is located. P.S., the previous posters are just trying to keep you out of trouble and save you some money down the road if you would have to put it all back on to get your vehicle inspected. I happen to agree with you that most of the crap doesn`t work even when it is new. To me, if I release X amount of hydrocarbons/emissions or whatever it is, in the air and I add X amount of oxygen, I have still released the same amount of hydrocarbons/emissions in the air, oxygen added or not. This is just an example. I could understand it a little better if the cat needs oxygen to react to make your exhaust gases safe. Who knows (not me), maybe that`s how it`s supposed to work. Anyway, I am sure you are not the first to remove the smog crap and you definitely won`t be the last. If you are willing to take the chance of having to re-install it later, then go for it.

In closing and on the political side of this, I guess all of the plains, trains and automobiles, that all of our lawmakers ride in who make these laws, are all emissions free. I have worked in dozens of chemical plants over the last 20 years and the stuff they are allowed to emit just amazes me. Our wonderful government has this thing for them called the grandfather clause. It pretty much gives them the permission to emit whatever they want with minimal consequences because it would cost the companies too much money to upgrade their equipment to operate cleanly. In other words, it`s safe and OK for me to breathe these poisons they emit all day long at work in the name of cost savings but my automobile needs to run clean on the way home to make the world a better place to live. What also amazes me is how our government expects the lower income and middle income (soon to be lower income also) people of America to afford to maintain these high dollar emissions systems on our automobiles. Myself, I will continue to run my early 80`s model F350 diesels so I don`t have to deal with this type of double standard. Have a nice day!
 
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Old Oct 24, 2004 | 11:47 AM
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Thumbs up Warning...Political Rantings!

Thanks Horton Racing I'm going to try and put back some of the junk I removed. Some....not all of it! I think I have put 3000 miles on the truck in the last 4 years. I keep it around for running to the dump, or the lumber store, or taking my shepard to the vets. So you can see I'm not really screwing our environment. This is a very strange site. The premise of helping others is great. The people who have experienced the same problems as the posters know best how to repair the problems. But then the holier than thou, politically correct people want to lecture you on how you are doing wrong by removing pollution controls from a 23 year old truck! I didn't post to have someone lecture me. I posted to find an answer to my question. I can appreciate what environmentalist have done for this country, but this is not the proper format for your beliefs. This is a "car head" site for those who enjoy messing with cars and trucks. If the ozone and the enviroment is your thing, hook up with Ralph Naders site!

Horton Racing was right on the money in his "political side". Bush and his cronies put more crap in the air during one trip down the runway than I will in my entire life! When I was in college I worked during the breaks with my father doing insulation work. I worked on miltary ships and chemical factories. One time my feet started burning from something on the ground. Turned out it was sulferic acid. But it was an acceptable level! Get behind a transit bus and suck in some of the great smells! But those levels are acceptable! Then charge me 75-100 bucks to tell me that I'm polluting our environment. That whole situation is a joke. Anyhow you have heard my response to those who want to berate me for bypassing 22 year old non functioning ill conceived poorly designed crap on my truck. From now on---please just answer my question.
 
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