Sorry guys but I forgot to tell you. This expedtion was a returned lease truck w/37,000 miles on it when I bought it so I assume nothing mechanical was done before I bought it and it still has the origional everything on it except the cvc joint, tires and brakes and fanbelt so how can I complain

 

The coat hangers are just full of quality on the 2003.TOY DESIGN

 

Well let me see...

Driver licence test car : 74 Maverick (v6, gold), great car!!
Dads car : 1rst year Fairmont (white, dad's thing)
First car : 72 Pinto (green, hatchback, $650)
Second car : 74 Pinto wagon (yellow with wood panels, $1,500)
Third car : 76 Pinto Green with wood panels ($1,600)

later another Fairmont, another maverick, 72 Torino ($50), Mustang ($600), 95 Thunderbird....

current : 98 Expy. 88K Miles. Blue.

Chevy's : I think I had an Olds once, for a while...

 

I used to live in Lawton. My mom was a district manager for H&R Block when I was 9-12 years old, and the one there on Cache BLVD (I think that was the name of the street) was her home office. We lived a couple blocks behind it.
Brandon

Oh, 97 Expedition XLT 4x4, 5.4L, 199,562 miles as of right now. Parts replaced since it came into the family at 93k- alternator(1), #4 COP(today). That's it.

 

I've owned many of them....ACURA is the best.

Took my 03EB to carmax today...They offered me 22,000 for it. That good considering the trade in value is around 18,500. UNFORTUNATELY, I owe 24,300..

I havent had any problems with my 03EB...but I still want to get rid of it.

 

Let's stop with the "we don't know what abuse the truck had prior....". That's a total copout and not becoming of someone who thinks Ford is good and tough. It's a big SUV, it's an Expedition. It's not delicate and dainty. It's built Ford Tough, ok? We expect this thing to run even when abused in a tough environment. That's why it was purchase and why it was built. It lit up like a Christmas tree and was a piece of crap. That doesn't mean all Expeditions are, but the guy deserves fair treatment at the dealer. They shouldn't be cleaning his clock for problems that shouldn't even occur. I'll bet those computers are designed tested in a tub of mud in a freezer under vibration, to see how they will hold up. How much brains does it take to hook up a computer to diagnose it? We're not asking the technician to run an oscilliscope, it's a diagnostic computer. They are not diagnosing anything for free, and no one wants them to. But charging $90 to tell you it will cost you $350 is nuts.

 

Apparently you have never worked with the current generation of scan tool technology. The data retrieval system is only as good as the technician reviewing the data. There is a common misconception that the handheld computer will tell the tech what to fix.....I am sorry but that is not the way it is in the real world. The computer will only tell the tech what conditions were out of parameter. It will not say why or what caused it. For example, a scan tool may display a trouble code "System lean bank 1". It does not tell you why it is lean. Could be a lack of fuel flow, clogged fuel filter, faulty or dirty MAF sensor, faulty oxygen sensor, bad ECM, chaffed wire somewhere, faulty pcv hose, etc....

I am sorry, but that just struck me WAY wrong. Many new customers call me and ask the same thing "How much for you to hook up a computer and let the computer tell you what is wrong?" It just does not work that way. As techs we are expected to be avle to immediatly look at a scan tool and determine the cause of the light. Not possible, that is why we attend seminars, classes, and advanced training. That is why we have access to Mitchel1 and Alldata. Why would we need all this extra knowledge and research data if the computer does the diagnosing and I am only a parts changer?

 

But Awesomebullet haven't you been told by your management that you could be replaced by trained monkeys? Surely it can't be only where I work that people have that opinion

 

Every Japanese vehicle I have owned! Guess what? Yep no electrical gremlins with any of them. Heck I did not even know what their service shop looked like.

My '04 Superduty has been in the shop 6-7 times in the last year. Problem? Electrical/wiring problems.

My '04 Navigator is going in to service for the 4th time in 5,000 miles.

The service manager at my Lincoln dealership even agreed with me that american vehicles are substandard to Japanese. Guess what he drives? A Honda.

 

Maybe the Japanese have better trained monkeys.

j/k

Hmmm, my signature doesn't show up anymore. Must be a glitch.

 

My 97 4.6 EB has 160,000 miles, in that time I replaced...

An Oxygen Sensor, Plug Wires (#4 misfire from leaking heater hose), Belts and Hoses, Power Steering Pump, Vapor Management Valve, Lower Ball Joints, Tie Rods. At 100k, I changed transmission filter and oil out of guilt.

Most of these things are just normal wear and tear. I'm not the easiest on a vehicle.

I run a K&N Air Filter, and Mobil 1 Oil in the crankcase.

 

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My 97 4.6 EB has 160,000 miles, in that time I replaced...

An Oxygen Sensor, Plug Wires (#4 misfire from leaking heater hose), Belts and Hoses, Power Steering Pump, Vapor Management Valve, Lower Ball Joints, Tie Rods. At 100k, I changed transmission filter and oil out of guilt.

Most of these things are just normal wear and tear. I'm not the easiest on a vehicle.

I run a K&N Air Filter, and Mobil 1 Oil in the crankcase.



ITS A SHAME THAT THE OLDER EXPY'S ARE MORE RELIABLE THAN THE NEWER ONES.

 

I solve the problem of that easily. I stick to the oldies but goodies. I have a '67 Ford and even though it has a lot of problems with it, its something that at least I know how to fix. To me, computers in vehicles are a pain, and just an excuse to jack up the price of parts to fix. My '95 F-150 had a part broke in the ignition. It cost me (at a Ford Dealership) $310 to fix it. $10 for the part, $71/hr to fix it. To me I rather have an old truck that I can fix for myself. Computers in vehicles, IMHO, are crap. Old school rides still rule!

 

I never had any problems with my fords.........so far. The factory air isn't that great in my truck, until you get up to speed...............1953f100. Never a problem with my 92 E250 either. But we did have a major problem with my wifes Tahoe and the dealer who was to repair it. But a phone call to the warrenty people fixed that!
Not all dealerships are created equal, as some do know the value of repeat (happy) customers. As a side note I have had a couple of other ford vans and was very happy with the dependability. I did prefer the Inline 6 in all of them.

 

I bought my first Expedition, a used, one owner with 236K miles. This has proven to be an excellent truck. It now has 270K miles and everything works perfectly. I'm planning on at least 400K miles.