No. I think it is only for the instructor rating.

My Dad didn't get his instructor rating until he already had over 1300 hours (IFR, Multi, etc). He said he had a hard time finding someone who would teach spins but finally found a guy that really liked to do them. The first time they went over the top my dad says he (my dad) let out a blood curdling yell and threw his hands up and put them on the roof. His instructor never blinked an eye at this and then asked him if he was ready to do it.

 

I too learned a heckuva lot from the DE on my checkride.
He scared the Nasty outta me.
He never brought up spins though.

My Best instructor (I had seven) had me do spin recovery during a practice session once.
I cant tell you how scared I was when he said he was going to show me a spin.
I asked him if they could clean the Puke out of the Cabin with a Hose, or would somebody have to wipe it out.

After we did a couple, it turned out to be a lot harder to get into a spin than I thought.
But the training came in handy. "nutralize the Rudders, push in the mixture, Pull carb heat, close the throttle and take your hands off eveything else" and it worked. I was alwyas facing down when I came out though, and never knew what direction I would be facing untill it was over.

I got caught in a Rotor cloud off the Talkeetna mountains, and remember looking at the Ground out the left upper side of the windscreen. I was scared but the fright came after the Aircraft stabalized.
The Training came through.

I really miss flying...

 

Rotor cloud!?!?! Yikes!:-staun




That was one of those things they always said to stay away from.
I've been caught in mountain wave but nothing like a rotor. What could you compare it too? Severe turbulence or more like wake turbulence.

I've been slammed around pretty good by 757 wake. Flight attendants always ask, "What was that!"

 

We're probably talking about the Same thing Rocking M.
It's the Rotating "wash" that rolls over the land scape after the Winds have rolled over the mountain.

It was deceptive. I was well away from the Mountains. Probably 10 miles, but the land is flat and the mountains are 8000 or more agl so there was a dsturbance the went a long ways from the Mountain.

I felt a few burble's. I had my thunb on the mike and was just about to give the Tower a Zero to Mild Turbulance report (Tower had asked, knowing the rotor might be there) when the plane skidded and rolled a little, then a heckuva bump, and then I was in it, and couldn't even keep my thumb on the Mike Buton.
As I was flyin into this stuff, I knew immediatly what it was, (Thank you Flight Trainer) and I also knew I could turn away from the Mountains and possibly out run it, but I couldn't get the plane level to do any flying. I was getting thumped around a good bit in the cockpit as well.
When I saw the Ground from the top of the windshield, I did the Spin exit routine, and came out going away from the mountains. 90 Degrees to my original course. Still had plenty of altitude though. It might not have been a spin, just rolling me around up there, but letting the C-152 do its own flying is a good way out of just about any situation with one of those neat little Planes.

My legs were like quaking Jello.
I gave the tower the Report, aborted my flight plan and went back for Coffee and donuts!:-( We'el go to Fairbanks another day!

 

Thudpucker,

Good story. The Mountain Wave and Rotor are quite a bit different. As you said, the rotor is just that, rotating air that causes severe turbulence. The Mountain Wave is due to high surface winds that are blowing perpendicular to the mountains and it resembles a wave on the leeward side.

My only experience was on a flight going west bound over the Blue Ridge Mts in VA. Cruising along at 10000 I noticed a small decrease in performance, airspeed was falling off. The next thing I know the airplane is climbing and I've got the nose pitched over, so now we're seeing an increase in performance. The only thing that was going through my mind was microburst In this situation you get climbing and get the power in full. Because of our alititude she was already at full power, then it hit us good. Full power, pitched up to the stall horn, 2000 fpm decent. My old man, sitting next to me with 20 + years of flying, calmly called ATC and requested a block altitude and we rode this cycle of waves for about 15 min.

Altitude and Airspeed are your best friends.

 

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Prop Wash ..... Anyone?

 

Been working on Helos for 8 years now in the Marines.

 

LOL! Yeah, there almost isn't any attitude you can get yourself into in a Cessna that can't be remedied just by putting your hands in your lap and your feet flat on the floor! My instructor pilot always said they were as safe as a baby carriage.

Thudpucker, your wind story is similar to an experience I had. I was flying over rolling foothill type mountains and the ambient temp on the ground was over 100*. It was starting to cool off in the late afternoon. The rising warm air currents were enough to peg the VSI on both ends and I got tossed around pretty hard. It was physically exhausting, but I never got into any unusual attitudes.

 

Amen on a Cessna's abilty to fly itself. A stall in Bonanza will show how good a Cessna handles.

They only time we had trouble in the 180 we had was when we flew into Juneau, AL. They (CT) warned us of cross currents. Just as we landed we were hit by one that pitched the plane up onto the left wheel in a nose down attitude.

The wheel was not liking this mistreatment and squealed pretty good. What I remember most was seeing the left wingtip one foot off the ground and bobbing around. Dad fight it like hell and said
It finally settled down on both mains with both tires squalling.

Later during a 100 hour inspection they said that they rear controls were bent. They said it had to be a factory fault since it was not possible to bend them from the cockpit. I remember very clearly how my dad stood up in his seat and pushed on the rudder pedals and cranked the wheel during that incident.

The controls were replaced under warranty

 

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 09-Mar-02 AT 08:31 PM (EST)]The rising warm air currents were enough to peg the VSI on both ends and I got tossed around pretty hard. It was physically exhausting,
but I never got into any unusual attitudes.


Yep, Horsepuller Blue Bird days can do that. Especially flying over Warm colored fields, and then the Cool Green or Blue landscape.
My wife flies with one hand on the Barfy Bag. She learned that on a Blue Bird day.
In those situations you pause to Re-think the Purchase of a Kit Plane!
Could it handle the G-loads put on these wings and Tail Feathers?
Flying in the 'lower 48 has those kind of perils. I never felt that while flying in Alaska. But over southern Ohio....

Ultramag, I always thought the "Mountain Wave clouds" were called "Standing Lenticular's" or "Lensatic" clouds.

The result of the Air travlling in a Fugoid osicillation, and as the Air Currents go higher they pass through a cold area, they condense and the Molecules of Water vapor become visible as clouds, then the Air moves back downward into a warmer place and the Molecules of Water Vapor dissapate again. Same Air Mass, going like a Bat outta Aitchedoubletoothpicks, but only visible when it travelled upwards a little bit.
Over the Hills east of Albuquerque, I've seen as many as three Lensatics in a row.
Nothing I'm checked out on can go that High though!