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A 206 on floats is a big plane. I spent time in a 206 from KS to California. I also spent a lot of time in a 180. We flew it from KS to Alaska, Florida, Texas, etc.
I'll check into the flight sim mod although at this point I'm putting my money towards the PP and getting as much flying time (in the real thing, a 172) as I can.
Biggest change in the industry? Hmmmm.. GPS and Cessna quit making small aircraft. Now Cessna makes them again (some at least) but the price of a new one is through the roof.
I'll check into the flight sim mod although at this point I'm putting my money towards the PP and getting as much flying time (in the real thing, a 172) as I can.
Biggest change in the industry? Hmmmm.. GPS and Cessna quit making small aircraft. Now Cessna makes them again (some at least) but the price of a new one is through the roof.
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How has the industry changed?
I only got in about five years ago. When I did they were predicting the airlines would be hiring pilots. That was true for about a year and luckily I made it in.
The biggest change from then and now, TWA is gone.
I interned there before they were bought out. Man was that a cool place to work!
I only got in about five years ago. When I did they were predicting the airlines would be hiring pilots. That was true for about a year and luckily I made it in.
The biggest change from then and now, TWA is gone.
I interned there before they were bought out. Man was that a cool place to work!
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>New Question:
>How has the aviation industry changed since you began?
I got my PP certification in 1980. That seems to be near the end of piloting for the pure pleasure of it. Since then, with the reduction in manufacture of small aircraft, it seems aviation has been more commercial oriented.
Allthough I'm qualified in several manufacturer's models of single engine two and four place planes, for me nothing says what flying is all about like a rag and tube plane with conventional gear.
My abnormal color vision gives me a medical disability. Because of that I did not continue on to get IFR and ATP ratings. I could have tried for a 'certificate of demonstrated ability', but I wouldn't be comfortable with that. I'm sure it would have made finding employment as a commercial pilot very difficult.
When Kamakazee pilot's are in vouge again, I will certanly qualify for employment!
>How has the aviation industry changed since you began?
I got my PP certification in 1980. That seems to be near the end of piloting for the pure pleasure of it. Since then, with the reduction in manufacture of small aircraft, it seems aviation has been more commercial oriented.
Allthough I'm qualified in several manufacturer's models of single engine two and four place planes, for me nothing says what flying is all about like a rag and tube plane with conventional gear.
My abnormal color vision gives me a medical disability. Because of that I did not continue on to get IFR and ATP ratings. I could have tried for a 'certificate of demonstrated ability', but I wouldn't be comfortable with that. I'm sure it would have made finding employment as a commercial pilot very difficult.
When Kamakazee pilot's are in vouge again, I will certanly qualify for employment!
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I got my Private SEL in 79, and quickly got checked out in a lot of Planes.I was never tempted toward floats, but I was about to take Ten hours in a Chopper.
The Biggest change since I became a Pilot?
The tremendious increse in prices, and the FAA's interest in stamping out General Aviaton.
I flew around Alaska. What a Bueatiful place to fly. So different from the Lower 48. But the Weather is King. When you learn that, you will be a Safe pilot.
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HorsePuller,
Certificate of Demonstrated Abitily, that shouldn't be too hard to come by as long as you aren't looking for an airline job. In my opinion every Private Pilot should go for that instrument rating. Most accidents in general aviation occur due to flight into adverse weather. What's adverse weather? Depends on your aircraft and pilot proficiency. Look at JFK Jr. he had an aircraft perfectly fit for flight into instrument conditions yet he lacked the experience of an instrument rated pilot. I guess this is why some high performance aircraft are known as widow makers.
Anyone interested in additional ratings such as instrument and commercial send me a message. I might be able to offer a deal. Need a BFR or IPC? Let me know.
Certificate of Demonstrated Abitily, that shouldn't be too hard to come by as long as you aren't looking for an airline job. In my opinion every Private Pilot should go for that instrument rating. Most accidents in general aviation occur due to flight into adverse weather. What's adverse weather? Depends on your aircraft and pilot proficiency. Look at JFK Jr. he had an aircraft perfectly fit for flight into instrument conditions yet he lacked the experience of an instrument rated pilot. I guess this is why some high performance aircraft are known as widow makers.
Anyone interested in additional ratings such as instrument and commercial send me a message. I might be able to offer a deal. Need a BFR or IPC? Let me know.
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I decided against going for the IFR ratings because of the Ongoing Cost and the reasoning that I wouldnt be flying in that kind of weather. I was going to stay with my Work, and not fly for a living.I learned a lot from being the "Eyes" for a guy who was practiscing for his IFR ticket.
IFR training teaches you basically not to be in the Air under these conditions. Also most IFR Training is given in Planes that dont have enough Horse Power to keep them in the air under IFR conditions. Icing especially.
I got 'Puffed' in once and was glad to have a little bit of IFR experience and Radio contact. Two other time's I was a passenger when we got 'Socked in' and all that training is worthwhile in those situtions. If you can learn to stay out of the Sky when the Weather is below minimums you can still get in about 360 flying days a year.
My favorite flying would be done in an 'Avid Flyer' or a 'Kit Fox' although a C-172 would be OK too.
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I dont think aviation took more of a pounding or changed as much since last Sept , Esp GA, than any other thing has since the Wright Bros took to the air . If you all dont belong to AOPA , then you need to if you are associated with GA . Phil Boyer did / does an exellent job keeping GA from being just run out of existence . There were so many areas that were just fun to fly , like the Ny Corridor where you could get a great view of Ny , Manhattan etc that are off limits now . Areas around Camp David , parts of Texas etc . Once what was a fun area to get a view now commands a couple of fighter jets that will either lead you away from the area or run a very real risk of being shot down . Not to mention dealing with the Faa , St police & the Secret Service if you get into this problem .
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Rocking M,
Thanks for the offer. Yeah, I should have continued on with an instrument rating when rentals were $14/hr wet and dual instruction was $16/hr. I learned that flight even within the minimums of VFR weather can be unwise for VFR rated pilots.
On my last BFR, the check pilot looked at my log, noting that my most recent flight time was the previous BFR. He dryly commented "you know, the purpose of the BFR is not to log flight time", LOL!
BTW, Steve McQueen was taking his pilot training at the same airport while I was in pilot training. He was taking his instruction in his own Boeing Stearman military trainer. I approached him once and introduced myself as a student pilot. He was delighted to show me all around his plane and let me get a good look at it. He was very enthusiastic about general aviation. I think he was sick then, because he died a short while after.
Thanks for the offer. Yeah, I should have continued on with an instrument rating when rentals were $14/hr wet and dual instruction was $16/hr. I learned that flight even within the minimums of VFR weather can be unwise for VFR rated pilots.
On my last BFR, the check pilot looked at my log, noting that my most recent flight time was the previous BFR. He dryly commented "you know, the purpose of the BFR is not to log flight time", LOL!
BTW, Steve McQueen was taking his pilot training at the same airport while I was in pilot training. He was taking his instruction in his own Boeing Stearman military trainer. I approached him once and introduced myself as a student pilot. He was delighted to show me all around his plane and let me get a good look at it. He was very enthusiastic about general aviation. I think he was sick then, because he died a short while after.
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Spins and your first FAA check ride:
Demonstrating spin recovery was no longer required for PP certification in 1980 (or before). It was still required for a commercial ticket. I think you had to make a certain number of spins as specified by the FAA test pilot, and then recover within 30 degrees of the heading you started out with.
The old man that gave me my FAA certification ride for PP was 74 years old and a master at aviation. My check ride not only tested my newly aquired pilot skill, but was instructional as well. If any of my demonstrated manuvers were rough, he showed we the correct way, then had me demonstrate it again to his satisfaction. He asked if I would like to do some spins, but said it was not required for my certificate. Of course I agreed because I loved to spin and my ex-military instructor pilot had taught me well. I was proud to demonstrate my ability at spin recovery, even though it was not required.
Do flight instructor's and FAA check pilot's still teach/require/demonstrate spins for PP certification?
Demonstrating spin recovery was no longer required for PP certification in 1980 (or before). It was still required for a commercial ticket. I think you had to make a certain number of spins as specified by the FAA test pilot, and then recover within 30 degrees of the heading you started out with.
The old man that gave me my FAA certification ride for PP was 74 years old and a master at aviation. My check ride not only tested my newly aquired pilot skill, but was instructional as well. If any of my demonstrated manuvers were rough, he showed we the correct way, then had me demonstrate it again to his satisfaction. He asked if I would like to do some spins, but said it was not required for my certificate. Of course I agreed because I loved to spin and my ex-military instructor pilot had taught me well. I was proud to demonstrate my ability at spin recovery, even though it was not required.
Do flight instructor's and FAA check pilot's still teach/require/demonstrate spins for PP certification?
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Spin Recovery is no longer listed on the Practical Test Standards as a required manuever for any certificate. As a matter of fact,the only time in-the-a/c spin training is required is for your CFI.
If the aircraft was certified for it I always offered spin training to my students.
If the aircraft was certified for it I always offered spin training to my students.