Notices

dual vs. single pattern cams

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 30, 2004 | 10:09 AM
  #1  
76 F150 Ranger XLT's Avatar
76 F150 Ranger XLT
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 185
Likes: 0
From: Crownsville, MD
dual vs. single pattern cams

I have read that if the exhaust side of your cylinder heads flows less than 70% of the intake side, you should use a dual pattern cam. If the exhaust flows 80% or better of the intake, you should use a single pattern. In between 70 and 80 percent is considered a grey area for trial and error with both dual and single pattern cams. I know these are probably guidelines made up by C***y builders, so they may not apply to the Ford FE. Still, is there a reason why everyone on this board seems to consistently recommend a dual pattern cam for all FE builds, including builds using aluminum Edelbrock heads which flow about 73% (exhaust/intake)? I know some of the Mustang guys are using single pattern cams with Ebrock heads. Is this just becuase they have a lighter vehicle and an get away with it easier? Are dual pattern cams better at maintaining low end torque which makes them more favorable for truck usage?
 
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2004 | 02:55 PM
  #2  
benwantland's Avatar
benwantland
Elder User
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 519
Likes: 0
From: Iowa
Actually, a single pattern cam is more suitable for low end torque. Torque = cylinder pressure. The longer your valves are open, the more overlap they have, and this bleeds off cylinder pressure....

The basic power curve of your engine is determined by the intake duration and lift. This controls how much air and fuel is sucked in, which, in turn, regulates how much power can be made... but, on engines with comparatively poor flowing exhaust ports (ie most fords), ultimate power is limited by the inability to evacuate the spent charge from the cylinder. Hence, longer exhaust duration.

So, assuming you have two cams, with the same intake duration and lobe seperation, using similar lobe profiles.... the single pattern will make more torque down low, and the dual pattern will allow it to breath up high.

All of the above is a generality, but it's true. Now, there's more to it than that:

A lot of times, when cam makers design a dual pattern cam, they use a wider lobe seperation (ie, 112 vs 110). This negates the extra overlap and gives you a better all around cam. So basically, the only way you really know what works is to ask people who have tried it. But hey, you asked, so I thought I'd explain it to you.
 
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2004 | 03:34 PM
  #3  
Ratsmoker's Avatar
Ratsmoker
Post Fiend
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 6,624
Likes: 8
From: Missouri
Originally Posted by benwantland
Actually, a single pattern cam is more suitable for low end torque. Torque = cylinder pressure. The longer your valves are open, the more overlap they have, and this bleeds off cylinder pressure....
I respectfully disagree Ben. Overlap has absolutely nothing to do with cylinder pressure. The point in time at which the intake valve closes has everything to do with it. Wider Lobe separations will push the intake closing event further into the compression stroke and bleed off cylinder pressure. Increasing the duration also pushes the closing event further into the compression stroke so it is a combination of both.

Originally Posted by benwantland
So, assuming you have two cams, with the same intake duration and lobe seperation, using similar lobe profiles.... the single pattern will make more torque down low, and the dual pattern will allow it to breath up high.

A lot of times, when cam makers design a dual pattern cam, they use a wider lobe seperation (ie, 112 vs 110). This negates the extra overlap and gives you a better all around cam. So basically, the only way you really know what works is to ask people who have tried it. But hey, you asked, so I thought I'd explain it to you.

Like stated above adding exhaust duration does not reduce cylinder pressure. You are right though, for some reason they like to use wider LCAs on dual pattern cams most of the time. Crane probably stands out the most on that point. Laser Cams and Comp cams still like to stay in the 108 - 110LCA range.

Overlap does not reduce low end power but it will make the engine idle rougher due to gasses being pushed into the intake during the overlap period. Above idle though scavenging takes over and actually pulls air through the intake valve during overlap.
 
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2004 | 06:41 PM
  #4  
EgoMan's Avatar
EgoMan
Fleet Mechanic
20 Year Member
Liked
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 1,436
Likes: 0
From: Montana
So which LCA do you prefer? 108,110,112? I know the cranes like the 110 i think.. but i was looking at the single patterns from Isky and they had lots of lift and good duration with the 108 LCA. I was thinking they looked like a hotter cam then some of the comprable cranes.
 
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2004 | 06:52 PM
  #5  
Scouder's Avatar
Scouder
Posting Guru
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,117
Likes: 0
From: Evanston, WY
Club FTE Silver Member

Welcome back, Sean! You are correct (again) on the cam stuff.

When I asked around about what cam I should use in my project, dual pattern was universally recommended. The cam grinder said it is common to do it even if the exhaust side flows real well, so go figure. Most off the shelf cams are going to be dual, so I wouldn't get to concerned about it unless you have a good reason to be. The small amount of overlap we are talking about with most street cams is virtually irrelevant.

-Scouder
 
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2004 | 09:53 PM
  #6  
fordbeast_80's Avatar
fordbeast_80
Elder User
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 586
Likes: 0
From: South Dakota
Hey Sean nice too hear from you.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
ffjoey
Performance & General Engine Building
22
Apr 29, 2021 08:41 PM
87-XL-Squared
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
5
Mar 19, 2017 04:12 PM
gman97005
Small Block V8 (221, 260, 289, 5.0/302, 5.8/351W)
4
Mar 24, 2014 02:17 PM
hollenjoe
Modular V8 (4.6L, 5.4L)
4
May 26, 2011 09:04 AM
dwildey
1967 - 1972 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
2
Mar 27, 2011 08:35 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:07 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE