240 I-6
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240 I-6
I know it's probally all been said before but what carb-manifold-exhaust can i use on my 64 f 350 to get better drivability. The I6 forum talks about an efi manifold for the 300, does that also go for the 240? I'm loking for more torque rather than hp as the old beast is generally loaded and pulling something that it wasn't designed to do!
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I'm not know mechanic;but everything for my old 300 and 240 are the same, even when I go to purchase any new parts they cover both engine's.
The only difference on the intake manifold is whether you have a manual shift or auto; auto needs a vaccum for your trans..
hope this helps..
Mitch
The only difference on the intake manifold is whether you have a manual shift or auto; auto needs a vaccum for your trans..
hope this helps..
Mitch
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Do you have any more info on the efi manifold swap? Can I use the stock carb, Im just looking to run this engine for a while until funds allow a 351 W. My exaust manifold is cracked though so I was going to swap that now. What years was the 300 EFIed and do all fit or just truck/van??? Thanx
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Went to our so called f truck expert (only two wreckers in the whole state that claim they specialise in early f trucks) and he laughed in my face when I said I wanted a efi manifold and two barrel carb for the farm truck!! He is of the opinion that NO carb has been or ever will fit on an efi manifold. Man that guy got me rubbed the wrong way. He wouldnt even let me see a efi manifold to measure unless I bought it with no refund if it didnt fit. Is it any wonder why I like dealing with you guys in the states, even if I have to pay USPS half my weekly wage to get parts shipped here. Any how, does anyone Know what year truck I need to rob for the manifold and the two barrel carb? First thing I'm gonna do when it's up and running is do a drive by Mr potato-head and prove that he DONT KNOW SQUAT!!!!!
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Well, you had a misunderstanding with him. He was right -- the EFI INTAKE manifold, which he thought you were talking about, will never take a carb. The EFI manifolds that everyone talks about are the exhaust manifolds, which ammount to short, cast iron headers. They can be Y piped together, *do search for Walker in this forum) or a nice custom split exhaust is even better. In any case, they flow almost as good as headers and are cheap.
As to the intake manifold, yes, a small 2bbl or 4 bbl rigged onto the old intake manifold with an adapor will help some. But better is a new offenhauser manifold. I do not think that there is any "bolt up" as in completely Ford original 2 bbl solution. But everyone does it, adaptors are easy to find, though I have no quick sugestion.
Lastly -- a 240 in a 1964? Are you sure? What side is the intake on, driver or passenger? 240 and 300 came out in 65, and having one in your truck would mean someone had swapped along the way. Why they would have went to the trouble to swap a 240 in baffles me.
As to the intake manifold, yes, a small 2bbl or 4 bbl rigged onto the old intake manifold with an adapor will help some. But better is a new offenhauser manifold. I do not think that there is any "bolt up" as in completely Ford original 2 bbl solution. But everyone does it, adaptors are easy to find, though I have no quick sugestion.
Lastly -- a 240 in a 1964? Are you sure? What side is the intake on, driver or passenger? 240 and 300 came out in 65, and having one in your truck would mean someone had swapped along the way. Why they would have went to the trouble to swap a 240 in baffles me.
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Thanx CD, Thats clears that up, wouldnt ya rekaon mr potato head could have explained it like that? He's a real arogant sob so probaly thinks I'm just a dumb carpenter that knows stuff all bout trucks. He,s wrong of course, I know just enough to get into trouble!! As for year of my truck It gets confusing. It's a 64 body built in canada right hand drive for Australia. My ownership papers list it as 68 mdl but that is probaly when it was first registerd.It's definetly a 240 as the intake is on the drivers side( confused yet ? ) Thax for your help mate, I'll have a look at the manifolds on the site and see if they ship to OZ as we never got the efi motors here
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It would be quite impossible for a 64 to have a 240 or 300 unless the vehicle has been modified. The 352 and 240/300 first came out in 1965.
It sounds like gordo's has a mishmash. Of course, many 65 and 66 trucks, if they are 4x4, or F350 and up, have the older cab etc. Basic concept: Twin Ibeam suspension equals 65 and 66 trucks, different style inner fenders, much different frame, core support, steering. Many parts are compatible with later 67-72 (and beyond in some cases).
In the case of his truck, made for right handed steering, they must have retained the earlier configurations for several years after 65. I would wager he does NOT have twin I beam suspension.
It appears though, that even though a 65 or 66 stright axel truck or 4x4 would have retained the earlier cab, inner fenders etc, they DID get the newer engine choices (240/300/352). What is less clear to me, not having ever seen one, is how the motor mounts and tranny crossmembers were configured. The 240/300/352 mount to the frame in much different ways that the earlier 232 I6, and Yblock 8 cyl did up till 1964.
It sounds like gordo's has a mishmash. Of course, many 65 and 66 trucks, if they are 4x4, or F350 and up, have the older cab etc. Basic concept: Twin Ibeam suspension equals 65 and 66 trucks, different style inner fenders, much different frame, core support, steering. Many parts are compatible with later 67-72 (and beyond in some cases).
In the case of his truck, made for right handed steering, they must have retained the earlier configurations for several years after 65. I would wager he does NOT have twin I beam suspension.
It appears though, that even though a 65 or 66 stright axel truck or 4x4 would have retained the earlier cab, inner fenders etc, they DID get the newer engine choices (240/300/352). What is less clear to me, not having ever seen one, is how the motor mounts and tranny crossmembers were configured. The 240/300/352 mount to the frame in much different ways that the earlier 232 I6, and Yblock 8 cyl did up till 1964.
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CD, my 240 has mounts on the bell housing (4spd) (similar to y block) and on the front of the block. Now if I am correct , teh 350 frame differes abit from the 100/250 frame, so I am not sure how they mounted in those. And mine is a 4door, so it may differ for those too.
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Like I said , It get very confusing with these trucks in Oz. Jowilker told me it was a 64 from decifering my vin plate, thats why I thought it was a 64. It has the single beam front axle but I thought that was universal for the 350's irespective of the year? If i is of any intrest to you CD I could post some pics of the engine mounts etc on my gallery. They dont seem strange to me as I havnt seen any different.Hope I havnt stired up a hornets nest with my igorance but I do wanna to learn about these trucks
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By no means a hornets next. I didn't percieve any animosity. It is indeed confusing with these old trucks. Ron/Carstop says his 350 with a 240 mounts on the bell housing. My 240 in a 65 F100 mounts all the way back on the tailhousing of the tranny. And of course, on the heavy front member that the twinI trucks have.
Makes sense -- even that you have a 240. I think your truck was made a little later though than 64.
Finally, the grilles are all interchangeable (though putting an earlier one into a later truck is dumb becuase of the turnsignal issues). So it would have been no trouble for them to drop a 65 grille into it.
Makes sense -- even that you have a 240. I think your truck was made a little later though than 64.
Finally, the grilles are all interchangeable (though putting an earlier one into a later truck is dumb becuase of the turnsignal issues). So it would have been no trouble for them to drop a 65 grille into it.
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Been talking to a ford dearler who knows a little of the old f trucks and he thinks what happened in the sixties is the Canadians shiped surplus bare bodies (64,s) over here, then Ford Oz converted them to rhd which would have been in 1965 by the tme they landed here. That could explain why they all have the 240 and the 65 grille. Maybe another piece of my puzzle!
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G'day Gordo.
I believe 240s in a 65 F350 or even an F250 rated over 6900GVW will bolt in a 61-64 because as y'all mentioned, motor mount system is the earlier 61-64 style. But heres something to consider. . .
Back then trucks and commercial vehicles, unlike Passenger cars were generally titled the year they were sold and not necessarily the year they were built.
The 240 engine was available from around June of 1964 forward. It was not available Before then that I know of.
Also FWIW, the 65 F350 bellhousing & front engine mount set ups can be used to hang a 240 into a 61-64 F100. Gordo, for all intents & purposes if you have a 65 grille,and a 240 I-6 chances are great you have a 65 truck, or a 64 built after mid year anyway.
"Yust my $.02 on this matter"
FBp
PS we made it through the last Hurricane pretty well, Mini devastation around the shop & home. A lot of heavy duty damage i the area though. We returned to find a lot of destruction and loss. I had a carport/ cover affair and it's history, but my shop & home are unscathed. Must have been those steel storm curtains I put up.
I believe 240s in a 65 F350 or even an F250 rated over 6900GVW will bolt in a 61-64 because as y'all mentioned, motor mount system is the earlier 61-64 style. But heres something to consider. . .
Back then trucks and commercial vehicles, unlike Passenger cars were generally titled the year they were sold and not necessarily the year they were built.
The 240 engine was available from around June of 1964 forward. It was not available Before then that I know of.
Also FWIW, the 65 F350 bellhousing & front engine mount set ups can be used to hang a 240 into a 61-64 F100. Gordo, for all intents & purposes if you have a 65 grille,and a 240 I-6 chances are great you have a 65 truck, or a 64 built after mid year anyway.
"Yust my $.02 on this matter"
FBp
PS we made it through the last Hurricane pretty well, Mini devastation around the shop & home. A lot of heavy duty damage i the area though. We returned to find a lot of destruction and loss. I had a carport/ cover affair and it's history, but my shop & home are unscathed. Must have been those steel storm curtains I put up.