I do alot of towing in the 2000 to 2800 range. Therfore the Predator
seems the logical choice for me plus you can upgade it online.
Thanks FTE for helping me make a choice that is right for me !
When I am not towing, I am considering using the 65 hp mode.
Any problems switching back and forth from the 45 hp mode to
the 65 hp mode from time to time?
Thanks, EJ

 

Get the 1704........absolutely incredible, and after you get that, get a down pipe for that nice exhaust you have.

 

a tuner may not be the best for u. maybe u should look into meth/water injection. its the best thing i have done to my truck. its a runnin fool with just 20/80 mix and with 50/50, its as good as any tuner, if not better. better mpgs, WAY better EGT's, and water is free

i just got home from hauling a 15,200lb backhoe, and i actually GAINED 8mph on a 6% grade from 54mph to 62mph in less than a 1/2 mile!!! wooooo-hooooo git er dun

 

I'll say this once... and drop out of the discussion... because I don't want to start a war...
Take what I say and consider the source...

the SC numbers of 15HP are TOTALLY ficticious...
The ONLY results we've actually seen show that the TOP HP number is around 90 HP from one of our FTE friends that did a dyno run....

Good luck to you on your decision....
and when someone actually measures the SC they'll find that the numbers are fabricated...
Please understand there's a REASON SC did not post any dyno runs after many, MANY request to do so... !

 

I will only say this WRT the decision. Having to send the SCMT back to have it updated was very unattractive to me. Updating the Predator seems to be a non-issue. <O</O
I currently own a predator, I originally purchased a SCMT for my June 04 build F350 CC dually. It would not load saying I need to have the SCMT updated. After calling SC customer service number I was told I needed to send the tuner in to be updated to the newest Ford flash. The guy I talked to seemed indifferent at best. After thinking " Do I really want to send this thing in every time I want it updated" I returned it and ordered the Predator from Motorhaven. I have nothing bad to say about the Predator, It loaded no problem and the added benefit of the diagnostics pushed is over the top in my mind.

 

just to clarify...... the inj does make more power than the tuners and boxes FOR TOWING. the tuners will make more power in their high hp modes, but u arent as concerned with that as with pulling power, from what i have seen.
as i said earlier, i own neither, and dont plan to, as i dont need em....

good luck in ur decision
and BTW, that 15,200 backhoe was on a 7500lb trailer...... HEAVY hehe

 

Check Ebay

 

, , ,
Went to MH and ordered a Predator. Seems the best choice for me.

 

As long as you call Motorhaven...buy what you want

 

I was addressing BigHoss, being a smartaleck...sorry, inside thing.

 

Has anyone done any extensive towing with the 45hp Predator program to see if the fuel mileage was better than the 65? Thought that I read the 45 would give better fuel mileage while towing than the other two programs....... but then I may be having a semi-senior moment again

 

This was a message sent to me:


"Vic,

I spoke to you a few weeks ago. At the time I had the Diablo Predator in my Feb 2004 built F-350. My concerns with the Predator were noise and the coolant issues (shifting was harsh, too under load).

Well, I had a chance to try out your 1704. I have a VC2000 Performance Computer which is a high end device. I did quite a bit of comparison between the two in just the tow/haul mode as that is what I use. The 0 to 60 times between two were very close, averaging about 8 sec between the two (+/- .25 sec). I did not do any 1/4 mile comparisons.

What I really liked about the 1704 was the improved shifting under load and how quiet it was in comparison to the Predator. I also have not experienced any coolant blow out of the de-gas bottle with the 1704.
So, I sent the Predator back and kept the 1704. I am very pleased with the overall driveability .

I do not post on the Forums this information about my running a tuner as I know a lot of local Tech's who surf these forums...call me a bit paranoid about this stuff.

Thanks again and well done!"


The owner of Enjuku racing (different guy) ran his 04 up the track.
The 1704 and Predator were within 1-2 MPH +/- of each other in the 1/4.

I've seen the 1704 win, and I've seen the Predator win. It's always very close. All trucks are slightly different, but the best overall drivability, reliability and power is definitely in the sc 1704. The engine runs smooth, quiet, the EGT's are low and the shifting is absolutely top notch. Did I mention fuel mileage? =o)

 

You will soon see that this point is invalid!

Coming soon, full comparison of loaded and unloaded runs with complete data breakdown for the 1704...

I challenge you to borrow someones Predator, then the SC. Drive each for a couple days with all programs under different conditions.

You will make the correct decision for you based on that.

Here is an important point:

The street creates load unlike an inertia dyno. Load changes where the PCM traces it's tables, boost curves change and power output changes.

Run them both on the street and tell me which one you like better.

Advertising numbers are numbers. Get in the truck and feel it in your butt, then confirm the feeling at the track, with your trailer, and with your calculator (fuel mileage).

With the 1704, you will also enjoy your coolant tank remaining full and your engine remaining quiet

These kinds of things matter.

 

I'd suggest not putting too much emphasis on mileage gains when considering which tuner to get or whether to tune at all. I fill up tomorrow morning to complete a head-to-head test of stock and the SCMT in ECON mode. Right now the lie-o-meter suggests the results are going to be about even. I am quite shocked. If this holds, I may have a 1740 for sale!

 

geez I hate to quote myself, but my 65hp Predator tune plus the July flash for my 04 raised my hwy mileage from 16 to 21. Now........can anyone tell me about the 45hp program and mileage towing? At least before the starts?