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Old Aug 6, 2004 | 09:33 PM
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I was banging around on the ford web sight and came across this on the 2005 V10 It will have more hp and tq than I had herd. I really like the tq at 3250 rpm.

For pure muscle, look no further than the new 6.8L SOHC 3V Triton® V10 in a Ford Super Duty pickup. Got a massive load to haul? The 6.8L Triton can handle it. After all, it boasts the highest available towing and payload of any gas engine in a full-size pickup in its class (over 8500 lbs. GVWR). Like its kid brother, the 5.4L Triton® V8, the 6.8L V10 features 3 valves per cylinder (2 intake, 1 exhaust) for increased power. The three valves improve efficiency, producing more low-end torque than ever before (you get 80% of your peak torque by 1,000 rpm!).

With the added performance benefits of the available TorqShift® 5-speed automatic transmission, F-Series' brute strength has never been more refined, the driving dynamics and shift quality smoother than ever.

Couple this with an advanced tuned air management system, and you have outstanding load carrying and towing performance.

Ratings are 362 peak hp@4750 (an increase of 17%) and 457 lbs./ft. of torque @ 3250 rpm (up 8%).
 
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Old Aug 6, 2004 | 09:57 PM
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Hmmm...thsoe numbers are slightly higher than I've seen elsewhere. Did you say that was on Ford's website?

Cool! The new V10 is a real POWERHOUSE!

I almost got an 02 Excursion today. Think I'll wait for the new V10. Hopefully they'll put the 3V V10 & the Trqshift in the Excursion! Yum!
 
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 01:17 AM
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I like those numbers....

but will the gas mileage be better ? Like 17-18 hwy ? I hope...
 
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 06:46 AM
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I took it right off the Ford Web site. I want one
 
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 11:08 AM
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i just came back from a test drive and got a brochure with the same numbers
 
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 11:33 AM
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Is it fly by wire or does it still have a conventional throttle cable?
 
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 02:25 PM
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Huh, those are higher numbers than what Ford originally posted. I don't remember at what RPM each was produced, but initially Ford said 355HP and 455lbs/ft of torque. Higher numbers means all the more reason to buy it I guess!
 
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 07:48 PM
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Let's not forget Ford's new "rating" system for horsepower. New Cobra "rated" at 390 hp, tested at 425 hp (in Muscle Mustangs). I've heard that the current v10 actually dynos at 333 hp and 450 lbs/ft even though it's rated at 310 hp and 425 lbs/ft.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rvpuller
The three valves improve efficiency, producing more low-end torque than ever before (you get 80% of your peak torque by 1,000 rpm!).

Ratings are 362 peak hp@4750 (an increase of 17%) and 457 lbs./ft. of torque @ 3250 rpm (up 8%).
Sounds like it's going to be a hit. There's already alot of interest about the 2005 V10 on the various towing and truck forums. Some of the Dodge guys who were talking up the 6.1L(?) Hemi for Rams were starting to wring their hands when Ford announced the rating upgrades for the new 3v V10. Guess they're nervous their new engines' low-end torque #s are going to seem pale compared to the new V10!

Just an FYI concerning the 80% of peak torque at 1000rpm. This is nothing new-the current V10 already makes 355lb-ft at 1000rpm, which is 83% of it's peak. This is one of the reasons I like this engine so much-it has high peak numbers but still makes plenty of power at low engine speeds.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 09:09 PM
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I hope within the next 6 mos or so Banks offers their Power Pack (exhaust and headers) for the 3V V-10's.Ditto for Diablo also.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MountainHound
Sounds like it's going to be a hit. There's already alot of interest about the 2005 V10 on the various towing and truck forums. Some of the Dodge guys who were talking up the 6.1L(?) Hemi for Rams were starting to wring their hands when Ford announced the rating upgrades for the new 3v V10. Guess they're nervous their new engines' low-end torque #s are going to seem pale compared to the new V10!

Just an FYI concerning the 80% of peak torque at 1000rpm. This is nothing new-the current V10 already makes 355lb-ft at 1000rpm, which is 83% of it's peak. This is one of the reasons I like this engine so much-it has high peak numbers but still makes plenty of power at low engine speeds.
That new Dodge 6.1 doesn't have anything on the new V10 when it comes to torque, in fact, it wouldn't have anything on the old V10 in the same regard. In the Dodge Charger SRT-8 concept, which uses the 6.1 Hemi, a very strong 420HP can be produced stock, but the torque stops at 390lbs/ft. In this way, Ford already has Dodge beaten in torque with the 2-valve 6.8L V10, the new 3-valve version for '05 just rubs it in . Therefore, the V10 should be considered out of the 6.1L Hemi's league, a more direct competitor will be Ford's upcoming 6.2L "Hurricane" V8, to be out late next year.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 73Fastbackv10
Let's not forget Ford's new "rating" system for horsepower. New Cobra "rated" at 390 hp, tested at 425 hp (in Muscle Mustangs). I've heard that the current v10 actually dynos at 333 hp and 450 lbs/ft even though it's rated at 310 hp and 425 lbs/ft.
Wait a minute. Does the whole industry use the same system Ford does? Could this mean that engines like the 3-valve 5.4L SOHC V8, rated at 300HP, are actually more powerful than they seem relative to their competitors, such as Dodge's 5.7L OHV Hemi V8 rated at 345HP? It would be ridiculous if this were true because Dodge would be making sales over Ford using a 45HP advantage that really isn't there.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Monsta
Hmmm...thsoe numbers are slightly higher than I've seen elsewhere. Did you say that was on Ford's website?

Cool! The new V10 is a real POWERHOUSE!

I almost got an 02 Excursion today. Think I'll wait for the new V10. Hopefully they'll put the 3V V10 & the Trqshift in the Excursion! Yum!
I imagine theyll put the engine and torqueshift in the excursion because if you look in my gallery i have pics of ford testing the new excursion up here in flagstaff and there would be no reason to test old technolgy.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 94tbirdman
Wait a minute. Does the whole industry use the same system Ford does? Could this mean that engines like the 3-valve 5.4L SOHC V8, rated at 300HP, are actually more powerful than they seem relative to their competitors, such as Dodge's 5.7L OHV Hemi V8 rated at 345HP? It would be ridiculous if this were true because Dodge would be making sales over Ford using a 45HP advantage that really isn't there.
Ford started their new rating system after the controversy over the 99 Cobra putting out only (?) 317.5 horsepower on some models instead of the rated 320 hp. To avoid any future controversy, Ford enacted their new rating system that they use today, which basically downplays the engine ratings. I guess the corporate brass want to have positive customer relations rather than number bragging rights.

But most of us probably new this by our own seat of the pants dynos. Drive a v10 and you can tell it has more power than the HEMI, no dyno needed.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 04:30 PM
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Mine was dynoed last year. He's right, after all the math was done, my supposed 310hp - 425tq 2003 V10 was putting out a shade under 335hp and a a shade over 455# if I recall. I have the sheet somewhere, I may scan and post it. The guys at the shop told me Ford is notorious for being conservative in their ratings. In that case, I wonder what the new "525hp" GT really puts out, I bet it's nudging 600.
 
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