V10s and 5th wheels.
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
V10s and 5th wheels.
How many of you pull a 5th wheel with your V10? I have a 2004 F250 V10 LB 4x4 3.73 and would like a 5th wheel but anything over 29' I have looked at seems too heavy.
Tom.
Tom.
Last edited by 1BFT; Jul 22, 2004 at 09:08 AM.
Senior User
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 101
Likes: 1
From: South Jordan Utah
I pull a 34' 5th wheel. I had 3.73s when i pulled it the first time to Durango Co. Pine Az and back to SLC Ut. I had 4.10 gears put in after that trip. It pulled ok but I was in 2nd a lot on steep hills. If I hit a hill at 80 (much to fast for a 5iver) I could pull many hills in 3rd. The 3.73s are just too tall for 11000 lbs. I like it much better now. See my sig for mods to my 03 SD crew
Junior User
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
I have a 10k 31' Fiver V-10 pulls it no problem. Take note of what type of fiver you're trying to pull: Low profile, mid-profile, or high profile. Both Low and Mid Profile fivers aren't that high and are very aerodynamic (easier to pull).
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
DS and JM, Is your setup over the GCWR for your truck? I'm thinking any 5th wheel over 9K GVWR is too heavy. The GCWR for my truck is 17K. I haven't found a 5er over 29" with under 10K GVWR.
Tom.
Tom.
Junior User
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 63
Likes: 0
My F-250 GCWR is also 17,000 (F-250 CC V-10 3.73LS 4x4).
Thus if you add the trucks GVWR and the trailers GVWR (8800 + 10000) then I *could* be over the GCWR (17000) by 1800lbs--*IF* I load up the camper to its max GVWR.
The whole shebang scales out at about 15000lbs with 2 people in the truck, 1/3 tank of fresh water, empty grey/black tanks, full propane, full tank of gas in the truck, and all of our normal camping supplies loaded in the camper (chairs, tables, bbq, etc.).
I'm also about 100lbs shy of the GVWR of the truck due to hitch weight (the wife doesn't like it when I tell her she can't legally ride in the truck unless she looses weight!
The F-250 has the camper package with the helper springs: when loaded and on level pavement the helper springs are about 1/2" from their stops (not touching).
I just keep in mind that the camper can go to 10,000 but I can't load it to more than 8,200lbs due to the truck (thus the campers cargo carrying capacity is reduced because of the 17,000 GCWR of the truck).
So I am just under legal, but since the F-250 and F-350 are mechanically the same truck...I don't worry about it...
Just look at the pic of our unit:
Thus if you add the trucks GVWR and the trailers GVWR (8800 + 10000) then I *could* be over the GCWR (17000) by 1800lbs--*IF* I load up the camper to its max GVWR.
The whole shebang scales out at about 15000lbs with 2 people in the truck, 1/3 tank of fresh water, empty grey/black tanks, full propane, full tank of gas in the truck, and all of our normal camping supplies loaded in the camper (chairs, tables, bbq, etc.).
I'm also about 100lbs shy of the GVWR of the truck due to hitch weight (the wife doesn't like it when I tell her she can't legally ride in the truck unless she looses weight!
The F-250 has the camper package with the helper springs: when loaded and on level pavement the helper springs are about 1/2" from their stops (not touching).I just keep in mind that the camper can go to 10,000 but I can't load it to more than 8,200lbs due to the truck (thus the campers cargo carrying capacity is reduced because of the 17,000 GCWR of the truck).
So I am just under legal, but since the F-250 and F-350 are mechanically the same truck...I don't worry about it...
Just look at the pic of our unit:
Trending Topics
Senior User
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 101
Likes: 1
From: South Jordan Utah
Yes I am a little over but the 4.10 gears raise the towing number a little.
The truck does not act overloaded. Stops fine, Sits level ect..
The truck does not act overloaded. Stops fine, Sits level ect..
FTE Stories
Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer
Joe Kucinski
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)
Brett Foote
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies
Joe Kucinski
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make
Brett Foote
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!
Michael S. Palmer
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home
Verdad Gallardo
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!
Joe Kucinski
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?
Brett Foote
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!
Michael S. Palmer
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
Maybe I should ask this question in the Towing and RV forum but I'll ask it here since you guys are being so helpful.
So is the total weight of the rig:
truck weight + pin weight + trailer weight or is it just truck weight + trailer weight and so long as truck weight + pin weight doesn't exceed the truck GVWR it is OK?
I appreciate your help guys. Thanks.
Tom.
So is the total weight of the rig:
truck weight + pin weight + trailer weight or is it just truck weight + trailer weight and so long as truck weight + pin weight doesn't exceed the truck GVWR it is OK?
I appreciate your help guys. Thanks.
Tom.
Senior User
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 234
Likes: 1
From: Bristol, RI
GVW is truck plus the pin weight. In other words, if you were to pull onto a scale with just the trucks 4 wheels, that's your GVW. To get the GCVW you must weigh the truck and the vehicle you are towing.
For me and my last truck (sorry, I haven't had time to weight the Ford yet)
Truck alone had a GVW of 6800 rated for 9200
Trailer had a GVW of 7180 ratred for 8600
Truck with Trailer hooked up had a GVW of 7780 still rated for 9200 (this is truck plus trailer tongue or pin weight)
Truck and Trailer together had a GCVW of 13980 rated for 16000
I hope this helps.
Hey... I just realized this is my first post here!!!
For me and my last truck (sorry, I haven't had time to weight the Ford yet)
Truck alone had a GVW of 6800 rated for 9200
Trailer had a GVW of 7180 ratred for 8600
Truck with Trailer hooked up had a GVW of 7780 still rated for 9200 (this is truck plus trailer tongue or pin weight)
Truck and Trailer together had a GCVW of 13980 rated for 16000
I hope this helps.
Hey... I just realized this is my first post here!!!
Posting Guru
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,372
Likes: 0
From: Broussard USA
Originally Posted by 1BFT
DS and JM, Is your setup over the GCWR for your truck? I'm thinking any 5th wheel over 9K GVWR is too heavy. The GCWR for my truck is 17K. I haven't found a 5er over 29" with under 10K GVWR.
Tom.
Tom.
Now this is stuff I came up with from camping sites and talking with some DOT cops but I am pretty sure it is correct.
Moderator
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 6,517
Likes: 910
From: Home Base Nebraska
What you are saying if the total weight of truck is rated at 11000 and trailer is 16100 so I can go to 27100 max. I only go to 22000 now and don't plan to go any higher so I am within limits as far as DOT is concerned, all my axles are within limits also. I've always wondered about that
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 144
Likes: 0
Daimon1054, are you saying that it does not matter what size 5th wheel I pull as long as I don't exceed the GVWR for the truck (truck + pin weight) and the maximum axle weight rating for the truck?
Tom.
Tom.
Logistics Pro
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 3,733
Likes: 38
you guys are talking apples and oranges with what Ford rates the vehicle as and what DOT says is legal.
The truck has a limit of the gross weight it can weigh. This is all the weights combined, truck, passengers, fuel, cargo, and includes pin or hitch weight. This weight directly relates to WHEEL and TIRE load capabilities.
The truck also has a limit on how much it can tow. This relates to the available power and torque of the engine, transmission, rear gears to get it moveing, and the brake HP needed to haul it all back to a stop..
The truck has a limit of the gross weight it can weigh. This is all the weights combined, truck, passengers, fuel, cargo, and includes pin or hitch weight. This weight directly relates to WHEEL and TIRE load capabilities.
The truck also has a limit on how much it can tow. This relates to the available power and torque of the engine, transmission, rear gears to get it moveing, and the brake HP needed to haul it all back to a stop..