So how is it any different than the 7lug F-150 HD with the 9900 lb tow rating that everyone here brags about all the time? If the Denali is an under rated 3/4 ton, so is the F-150 HD.

 

That's the thing, this thread was started by someone who actually drove the truck, not on a graph. No matter how many graphs you study, it won't simulate real world driving.

 

I'm not sure of the technicalities involved, but obviously the industry doesn't recognize the Denali as the leader in towing for 1/2 ton trucks so there has to be some distinction. It may be the GVWR or something like that. Since I really don't care much about GMC vehicles I'll leave it at that. If you would like to do the research, since you seem to be fond of the vehicle, post a new thread in this forum. I wouldn't mind reading an honest comparison based on facts though, not opinions.

 

Im with Bob on this one. There is nothing Dodge makes (including there ever-so-powerful) 500 horse truck that will touch a 6-oh with a chip, exhaust, and propane system. 1500 dollars worth of mods to a REAL heavy duty work truck, and it will play with even the fastest of toys Not to mention cheaper than the 1500 Ram SRT, even COUNTING the mods.

And all of the Ford Diesel nay-sayers - dont even try to use the extra weight as a reason the SRT or the Hemi will outrun it; a stroker with the same given HP level will DOUBLE the torque.

No spark plugs? No problem.

 

The F-150s maximum payload is 3,000 for the Ford that tows 9,900 pounds, so the F-150 beats the Denali by 800 pounds. The Denali only beats the Denali by 100 pounds in towing. So, the Chevrolet can tow 100 pounds more than the Ford, maybe one toolbox on a trailer, but the Ford can haul 800 pounds, a whole piece of equipment more than the Denali. All in all, I'd say that the Ford has the edge.

 

Which denali is that?

GMC not chevrolet.


<Again, I think everything you say goes without saying that you have no clue what you are talking about.>

 

Well, according to Ev2Demon, the GMC Denali can tow 10,000 pounds. Well, the Ford can tow 9,900. That's 100 pounds. I am beginning to think that you don't even read my posts. The GMC Denali tows 10,000 pounds and has a payload of 2,200 pounds. The Ford F-150 tows 9,900 pounds and hauls 3,000. To me, that means the Denali can tow 100 pounds more, and the Ford can haul 800 pounds more. Now tell me how I am wrong.

 

Have you read the FTE forum guidelines?

 

yes i have. sorry fordlariat just got caught up in the moment. you ain't going to like this but the denali only has 1700 payload.

 

And a seat of the pants feel for how fast something is isn'y always a good indication of how powerful a vehicle is. I know I've driven vehicles that felt fast only to find out they weren't. I've also driven vehicles that didn't feel spectacular only to be surprised at how quick they ran when timed at a drag race.

Point is, just because a vehicle feels sluggish during a test, unless a back to back or head to head comparison is done, it really means nothing.

 

Hey, we all get caught up. That's even worse than the 2,200.

 

Not sure where I got the 2200 from. My bad.

And, yes, we all get caught up, probably more than we should. I hope no one takes it personally as we're all just here to exchange info, even if it does get heated at times.

 

I'm sorry if any of my posts were a little heated too. I think we can all have a good debate without breaking the rules though.

 

I work with two people that own 2wd ext cab Dodges with the hemi, both claim no better than 14 MPG on trips. Gas milage is their only gripe. Most of the research I have done supports their claimed MPG. My old F-150 ext cab with the 5.4 got 20 MPG on trips to Ohio, but it also had 85 less hp than the hemi.

Maybe the truck I drove didn't see the dyno graphs, maybe it had something wrong, I don't know. I do know it didn't meet my expectations for power. I also drove a new F-150 with the 3V 5.4 and that also felt kind of weak. Will not waste my time at GM, Nissan is too ugly, Toyota not enough room.

This post was not about Ford vs Dodge, I like both. I see the Nissan with 40 less HP is able to outrun the Dodge (weight difference?) and after the test drive it got me wondering if Dodge overstated hp and/or torque numbers. This was the intent of my post.

 

I don't think the Dodge is over rated, I actually think the Titan is under rated. Most of the Hemi's put out around 260-270 RWHP on a dyno. That is around a 22-24% loss. The F-150's I've seen make around 210-220 on the dyno. That is actually around a 27-28% loss. Either the Ford's drivetrain isn't as efficient, the Hemi is under rated, or the 5.4 is over rated. I'd assume it is more of a drive train efficiency issue than anyhting (I doubt Ford would over rate anything after the Cobra fiasco a few yrs ago). Now, the Titans I've seen are right around 255-260. Not quite as high as the Hemi, but close. The fact that the truck's are quicker is probably a combination of less weight, and a motor that is under rated at 305 HP.

Keep in mind that the above numbers represent 2wd trucks, 4wd will be lower.