Flashing 4WD lights, rough shifting, no power windows, etc.
The first problem I noticed was that it started shifting a little late, and when it does shift it shifts rather roughly - best way I can think to explain it is the vehicle lurches or jerks when it shifts. The problem has not gotten any worse since it first started, nor has it gotten better. Also at the same time this started, when the vehicle is first started after having been off for a long period of time (typically overnight) and put into gear it goes into gear and causes a significant jerk in the vehicle - shifting into Reverse causes the worst jerk, Drive is still noticeable although not as bad, and Neutral doesn't cause a jerk at all. This jerking continues for several minutes any time you shift into Drive or Reverse, gradually getting less and less until it reaches the normal lurching that is now experienced every time it shifts gears.
A week or two after that problem started, the power windows suddenly quit working and the 4WD and 4WD LO lights started flashing on the dashboard. They flash 6 times every 2 minutes on a constant basis whenever the vehicle is on. When this problem first started I discovered that one of the fuses had blown - number 27 I believe. I replaced it and the windows started working and the 4WD lights stopped flashing - for about 10-15 minutes when the problems started again and I discovered that the fuse had blown again. I realized the problem was somewhere else, so not wanting to take any chances I left the fuse out. After doing some searching online I found a few people that had the same exact problem which was fixed by replacing the accessory delay relay located under the dash above the gas pedal. I purchased a new relay from NAPA, popped the fuse back in, and it started working again. Fuse blew again 20 minutes later. After doing some more searching I'm seeing that the problem might be a bad vehicle speed sensor - either the front one or the back one.
I've also been seeing that a bad vehicle speed sensor can be responsible for many different problems, including the flashing 4WD lights, an erratic speedometer, ABS problems, Overdrive problems, shifting problems, etc.
I'm starting to wonder now if perhaps both problems are related to a bad speed sensor. If anybody out there has experience with these, do you think it is possible/probable that a bad sensor could be responsible for both sets of problems?
Also, anyone know which one is more likely to be bad - the front one or the rear one? Or have any tips on replacing them? All the information I've found online is rather sketchy when it comes to the details of actually replacing the sensors.
Thanks in advance for any ideas or info you can provide me with.
Oh, wait, my brain must have been off-track when I first read your post. The interior lamp relay. Yes, well, I neglected to mention that the interior lights are also on fuse 27 and they stopped working when the windows and 4WD lights started acting up.
My owners manual says fuse 27 is for:
Under hood lamp
Map lights
Glove box lamp
Dome lamp
Visor lamps
Accessory delay
Dimmer switch illum.
4x4 system
I'm still at a loss to understand why they put the 4x4 system on the same fuse as all of the interior lights - but that's a totally different issue.
Looks like the relay for the interior lamps is in the body compartment somewhere according to my manual. The arrow is pointing to the rear of the vehicle above the left rear wheel well. Anyone know exactly where I could find this at? I haven't looked at all yet - it might be easy to find for all I know - but if anyone knows exactly where it is that might save me some hunting time.
Last edited by 87 XLT; Jul 9, 2004 at 12:46 PM.
The wiring diagrams I got from AutoZone's site appear to be accurate - but they aren't close to being complete. They cover the main engine controls and some of the body (such as exterior lights, etc.), but very few, if any, interior components are included. Fuse 27 is not mentioned anywhere. So I guess I should break down and go buy the repair manual for $15.
Anyone have any opinions in which is better - Haynes or Chilton? AutoZone sells the Haynes manuals, and I belive Napa sells both the Haynes and the Chilton Total Car Care manuals.
Also, in case the interior light relay is not the problem, I'm still interested in the vehicle speed sensor. If anyone is familiar with removing/replacing those I'd appreciate hearing from you.
Bad news - I don't think that the interior light relay is causing any problems.
I pulled the relay out and noticed that it was the same kind as the ones I replaced for my wipers a week or two ago. So I pulled one of the wiper relays and put the interior light relay in its place. Before I replaced my wiper relays the wipers would only work on Hi. I had to replace both wiper relays to get them to work in Hi, Lo, and Intermitent. So I figured if the relay was bad then my wipers should start acting up again when I put the interior light relay in where the wiper relay goes. But it didn't work that way - the wipers still worked perfectly fine. So my assumption is that the relay is fine. Does that sound correct to you? Or would a bad relay only be bad at certain times but be fine other times?
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Oddly enough, I expected that the interior light relay was needed for all interior light operations, but apparently this isn't the case. The only thing that I've noticed not working since I pulled the relay is the lights automatically going on when one of the doors is opened. This no longer happens, but the interior lights work fine when they are turned on manually. Glove box light works as well when the glove box is opened. I haven't checked the underhood light but I suspect that will be working as well.
Now comes the fun task of trying to figure out exactly where this short is at in the vehicle....
BTW, the reason some interior lights are still working is that some of them are wired directly to fuse 27 & some are wired thru the interior lamp relay OR the dimmer/domelight switch. The ones that are not working now can still be turned on by the dimmer/dome light switch. I hope you have a good wiring diagram & keep us posted.
I wish I knew more about these idiot GEM modules, I can see how the GEM provides voltage to different items, but in this case it needs to provide a ground to the interor lamp relay, & I dont see where the ground comes from when I look at the GEM wiring diagram. Maybe one of the other guys can explain this. But I think the GEM is your problem. Unfortunately they are 2 or 3 hundred bucks so more info is needed b-4 spending that kind of money. Maybe you could remove the GEM & have a dealer or auto electric shop test it for you??
Last edited by 87 XLT; Jul 11, 2004 at 03:11 AM.
Still don't have a good wiring diagram either. And as inexpensive as it is, I still probably won't have the money to obtain one for another week or two. :-(
Ah, well, life goes marching on...
If I ever get anywhere with this I'll repost.
On the codes you might just need to clean the EGR and hopefully that will solve both codes. Good luck with it.
Finally, someone who has the same exact problems that I am having with my 96 XLT. I have taken it to a few shops who can't find anything wrong with it, or fix the windows but that only lasts for a few weeks. I have the same 4wd blinking lights as you, but my windows seem to actually work sometimes, just definately not when the 4wd lights flash. I've never had to actually reset the fuse, which would lead me to believe that they are automatically reset or we have different problems, but I would love to hear if you have made any progress, since I really haven't at all.
-Will


