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Old Aug 11, 2004 | 03:15 PM
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Check to make sure you have the right relay. According to my drawing, Auxillary Relay Box #4 is for the door locks only and not the power windows. You want the Accy Delay Relay. The relay might actually be in the Power Distribution Box under the hood near the battery. There are also relays in the back of the Explorer where the jack is.

If your interior lights work, then you are correct: your Battery Saver Relay is working.

If your door locks work, then the fuse in the Power Distribution Box is good.

If the switches on your Master Window/Door Lock Control Switch (switches on driver's door) do not illuminate with the lights on, check to make sure the connector has not come off and that the ground wire from pin 13 on the Master Switch is properly grounded. If the lights illuminate, your connector and ground is probably okay, although there is a seperate wire for the ground.

If the door locks work but ALL power windows do not, then check the Accy Delay Relay. I do not know exactly which one is the Accy Delay Relay but I can check my '99 if you need. But if you can find it, pop it out and check for voltage on the following pins of the socket:
Pin 87: +12 Volts DC. If no voltage, problem with power from Power Distribution Box.
Pin 85: +12VDC. If no voltage, problem with power from Battery Saver Relay.
Pin 86: With the engine running and using an ohm meter, this should have a low resistance to ground. If there is an open (high resistance), there is a problem in the GEM or wiring to it.
Pin 30: +12VDC, but only with the relay in. This will be +12 only when the GEM activates the Accy Delay Relay.

Another way to check to see if the Accy Delay Relay is bad is to short pin 87 to pin 30 of this relay (but make sure you do have +12VDC at pin 87). MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT RELAY BEFORE DOING THIS as they are all marked with the same pin numbers. If your windows still do not work, then you will need to check for power at pin 19 of the Master Window/Door Lock Control Switch on the driver's door. If no power is there, then the wiring between the Accy Delay Relay and Master Window/Door Lock Switch has failed. If power is there and Pin 13 is grounded, then there is most likely a failure in the Master Switch.

If the drivers door Master Window Switch can control the windows but the individual door switches cannot, then either the Window Lock switch on the Master Window Switch on the drivers door is active or broken.

It is possible that the wiring could be damaged in the door hinge area. Check all doors to make sure you do not see any exposed wires. An ohm meter and a good wiring diagram will be necessary to trace the wires for problems.

Am I getting too technical yet?
 
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Old Aug 11, 2004 | 03:25 PM
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87 XLT and I were writing at the same time. So my last post was not in responce to his post.

Just to make sure, 87 XLT, my wiring diagram is generic, so it might not be an exact fit to the '97, but it shows pin 3 and 4 of the GEM is only for the Left Front Window to use the One Touch Down Relay. According to my drawings, the pin 3 and 4 do not effect the other windows except for pin 17 which activates the Accy Delay Relay which provides power to all of the Master Window Switch and Power Windows as well as the Moonroof switch and the Torque on Demand Relay.

Could you verify if your diagram shows the same?
 

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Old Aug 11, 2004 | 03:57 PM
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Isnt it amazing, all this damn nonsense to roll a window up & down? I show the "one touch down relay" & driver window switch spliced to pin 3 of the GEM module. And left front power widow motor & driver window switch spliced to pin 4 of the GEM.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2004 | 08:35 PM
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I really do prefer those old mechanical mechanisms!
 
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Old Aug 11, 2004 | 08:47 PM
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I hear that, thats why I am very glad that my Ranger is an 87, not a 97. I've had very few problems with it & it's still running very strong at 223K. I think that I will keep it for another 223K.
 
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Old Aug 11, 2004 | 10:39 PM
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dont know much about electrical, but has anyone stopped to think or even checked the master control switch, you know the main panel on the driver side door that controls all the power windows and locks. from expierence, i had a similar problem and it ended up bein that switch. just a suggestion.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 05:17 AM
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Been there done that with the switch
 
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 05:31 AM
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The master lock switch is a possibility, and also the wiring at the door hinge, I can't seem to get the wiring connector apart to have a look inside. We have a Hurricane comming ashore tomorrow I am glad there stuck closed, I will give it a look on Sat. morning if I am not underwater, Technical is not a problem
 
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Old Aug 12, 2004 | 10:41 AM
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Something to note, I looked at my relays last night and found that the owner's manual descriptions did not always match the actual relay locations. And my wiring diagram, which is generic and based on the '95, does not match my '99's actual wiring.

So regarding the relay locations, I can't help you. But all the wiring principles should be the same.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 12:35 AM
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I found the problem, actually my nephew found it. After the mechanic stated it was not the fuses, my nephew found the problem on #26 fuse. The fuse box that is located in the car under the steering wheel. I hope this information will help someone else. I have a 99 explorer.
Thanz to all.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 12:46 PM
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I don't think there are fuses under the steering wheel; they are actually relays. But who cares what the are as long as it fixes the problem! Glad you have it fixed!
 
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Old Aug 13, 2004 | 03:43 PM
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LV Dan-Thanks for your concern. Being a girl and all I thought it was a fuse box, since all my other cars had a fuse box located inside the car.
 
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Old Sep 3, 2004 | 10:05 PM
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I have the same problem with my 1996 Explorer. Flashing 4WD lights no power windows, no power locks, no power seats. Fuses are ok, and relays tested ok. Jessman1128 did you find the problem on yours? I'd like to find the GEM, anyone know what they look like?

Originally Posted by jessman1128
Have your 4WD and 4WD LO lights on the dashboard started flashing as well? The power windows on my 1996 Explorer recently quit working, accompanied by the 4WD lights flashing on the dashboard (they flash 6 times every 2 minutes). I initially traced the problem to a blown fuse #27, but when I replaced it it blew again 10-15 minutes later, so I know the root of the problem lies elsewhere.

If your 4WD lights aren't flashing, then the problem is hopefully much simpler than mine - probably just the fuse in the power distribution box as 87 XLT mentioned.

Speaking of which - the owner's manual says that the high-capacity fuses in the power distribution box (I think they're called high-capacity...I know it's high-something...) should only be replaced by a qualified mechanic. Is this really true? I find it odd that something as simple as a fuse - even if it is a special type - has to be replaced by a trained mechanic.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2004 | 07:48 AM
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Unhappy Windows still not working

I still haven't solved my window problem yet I have tried, checked and replaced everything suggested by all that have helped with this window
delema, does anyone know anything about the door hinge wiring assembly
and how to take it apart or change it or even if it is possible to change.Thanks
 
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Old Sep 6, 2004 | 12:57 PM
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I didn't solve this one yet either, but did find a box under the drivers seat that has a ton of wires going to it. I’m thinking it may be a GEM. It's located above the power seat motors under the seat. The passenger power seat does not have the same box. I also can smell hot electrical (melting circuit) smell somewhere up front, possible under the driver seat. I’ll let you all know what I find when I get around to unbolting the front seat to take a look. That’s going to be a pain since the bolts in the rear are under the seat and the power seat is not working.
 
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