Smoking ballast resistor
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Smoking ballast resistor
Installed a new intake and carbs. In the process I moved the coil and ballast resistor to the firewall. I changed out an old ground strap from the engine block to the firewall.
Now, upon attempting to start the engine the ballast resistor smokes and seems that we're not getting any fire in the hole. There is a Jacobs prostreet system installed that has been working great, giving instant starts and good service for a year.
Any advice on what is causing the smoke (I'm assuming lots of heat). The fittings are tight and wired as it came apart... neg to the dist primary, pos to the bottom of the resistor, ignition wire to the top of the resistor. Thanks. himmelberg
Now, upon attempting to start the engine the ballast resistor smokes and seems that we're not getting any fire in the hole. There is a Jacobs prostreet system installed that has been working great, giving instant starts and good service for a year.
Any advice on what is causing the smoke (I'm assuming lots of heat). The fittings are tight and wired as it came apart... neg to the dist primary, pos to the bottom of the resistor, ignition wire to the top of the resistor. Thanks. himmelberg
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I had the same problem on my vw sandrail(not a ford I know but a points system is a points system.) and as weird as it sounds I took the coil and ballist resitor off and went with a bosh blue coil. Never had a problem after that. Hope this helps you.
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you have to have a wire crossed or something, as it sounds it is shorting on that line, drawing power too much power whatever. is the coil getting hot? not getting spark is a good sign that maybe the engine ground is poor? take the resistor off, most times it isnt necessary, put a fuse in its place, i bet it blows, i am not too familiar with ohm meters, thats not my area,
i had a bad ground once, that energy finds any path to negative it can get, the coat hanger on my exhaust was red hot and i wondered another time why my truck wouldnt start after doing exhaust and cut the coat hanger.
make sure you are getting 12-14 volts off the ignition.
not sure but i hope it gives you some ideas, i would start triple checking all the way from the alternator wiring, to pinched wiring, to bad ground connection.
i had a bad ground once, that energy finds any path to negative it can get, the coat hanger on my exhaust was red hot and i wondered another time why my truck wouldnt start after doing exhaust and cut the coat hanger.
make sure you are getting 12-14 volts off the ignition.
not sure but i hope it gives you some ideas, i would start triple checking all the way from the alternator wiring, to pinched wiring, to bad ground connection.
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It isn't terribly rare for a B.R. to smoke a little if you leave the ignition on. That is why it is housed in ceramic. But if she won't start you obviously got trouble. Easy to check them is with an ohmeter. Of course you need to know the resistance spec. You need to know it anyway so you can get one on the road if you had to. You generally just have to be close and she'll run.
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I redid the ground strap from firewall to engine block... again. I wirebrushed the firewall under the BR attachment. I tweaked all of the fittings. It wanted to start but seems I've yet to sort out my carbs.
Here's my wiring diagram... see any glaring error?
thanks guys. himmelberg
Here's my wiring diagram... see any glaring error?
thanks guys. himmelberg
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Your diagram is according to Hoyle. Do you have spark? If you don't, get a new BR. Are you using a Jacobs BR? If a new Jacobs BR is not handly, find out what resistance they recommend. I bet you can get close enough at the local parts store for under 10 bucks for now. I ran the wrong one on my MSD coil for a little while. It was off on the resistance,ran just fine and smoked a bit until the correct one came in from MSD. Run a decent quality BR when this is all over. As you know, they will flat strand you when they fail. And they are hot as a pistol even when everything is fine. The voltage reduction has to go somewhere.
Your diagram is according to Hoyle. Do you have spark? If you don't, get a new BR. Are you using a Jacobs BR? If a new Jacobs BR is not handly, find out what resistance they recommend. I bet you can get close enough at the local parts store for under 10 bucks for now. I ran the wrong one on my MSD coil for a little while. It was off on the resistance,ran just fine and smoked a bit until the correct one came in from MSD. Run a decent quality BR when this is all over. As you know, they will flat strand you when they fail. And they are hot as a pistol even when everything is fine. The voltage reduction has to go somewhere.
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Is a ballast resistor just for a points system??? or is it used for an electronic ignition system too? I'm getting ready to wire my truck with a Painless Wiring kit, and in the directions the balast resistor appears to be optional, but there is no reason why. Any thoughts?
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If you don't have fire in the hole when trying to start the engine you need to locate the point of grounding while in the starting mode. The ballast resistor isn't part of the circuit until you go into the run side of the ignition. You say it tries to fire; Is that in the start mode only? If so, then I would agree with fenders that you need to replace the Ballast Resistor. Make sure that it isn't grounding on the firewall. In the staring mode you should have close to 11 volts due to the draw from the starter and in run mode it should read close to 8 volts. Good Luck.
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Originally Posted by 53fatfndr
Is a ballast resistor just for a points system??? or is it used for an electronic ignition system too? I'm getting ready to wire my truck with a Painless Wiring kit, and in the directions the balast resistor appears to be optional, but there is no reason why. Any thoughts?
And Gear up explained much it better. If the engine starts, but immediately dies when you return the key to run position is classic BR failure.
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Originally Posted by himmelberg
I redid the ground strap from firewall to engine block... again. I wirebrushed the firewall under the BR attachment. I tweaked all of the fittings. It wanted to start but seems I've yet to sort out my carbs.
Here's my wiring diagram... see any glaring error?
thanks guys. himmelberg
Here's my wiring diagram... see any glaring error?
thanks guys. himmelberg
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there should be a second wire connected to the side of the ballast resistor going to the coil. This wire should come from the starter solenoid and provide 12V to the points when you turn the switch to "start". As soon the switch returns from "start" to "on", the wire at the other end of the ballast resistor provides 12V though the resistor which is reduced to 6V at the points. You should have 12 Volts for starting even through points.
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my 59 was doing the same sort of thing, not sure if it was smoking or not. it would try to start but as soon as my key went back to the run position it died.
had to disconnect my starter wire and psuh start it holding it in the start position all the way home. i replaced the resistor and everything was fine.
adam
had to disconnect my starter wire and psuh start it holding it in the start position all the way home. i replaced the resistor and everything was fine.
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If it is humanly possible to make this more complicated... here goes.
'Fenders... I stuck my multimeter on ohms, calibrated it to zero... and got no reading when touching both BR prongs with the probes.
Gear... how would it ground to the firewall? The base bolted to the coil holder on the original manifold... does this ground the unit? Do I ground this way or do I isolate the base from the firewall?
Vern... the wiring hasn't changed since I installed the Jacobs stuff. It has performed flawlessly for a year. I've merely moved the coil and BR to the firewall. However, your comment raises the question... what of that mystery wire? See which.
I assume that my next step is to find another BR. Appreciatively. himmelberg
'Fenders... I stuck my multimeter on ohms, calibrated it to zero... and got no reading when touching both BR prongs with the probes.
Gear... how would it ground to the firewall? The base bolted to the coil holder on the original manifold... does this ground the unit? Do I ground this way or do I isolate the base from the firewall?
Vern... the wiring hasn't changed since I installed the Jacobs stuff. It has performed flawlessly for a year. I've merely moved the coil and BR to the firewall. However, your comment raises the question... what of that mystery wire? See which.
I assume that my next step is to find another BR. Appreciatively. himmelberg
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A breakthrough...
An afternoon's research has answered some questions. My trusty old Motors manual answered the BR questions.
'Fenders... ground one probe, turn on ignition switch, touch each BR in turn and note the difference in readings. My BR is ok.
Vern... Motors shows me 4 coil setups used on early ignitions. The one you mentioned is included...
The coils and resistors are matched... mixing is bad. I guess my next step is to dismantle the Jacobs and start from scratch. I really wish I could leave the BR on the firewall... have to find the answer to the ground question. Thanks. himmelberg
'Fenders... ground one probe, turn on ignition switch, touch each BR in turn and note the difference in readings. My BR is ok.
Vern... Motors shows me 4 coil setups used on early ignitions. The one you mentioned is included...
The coils and resistors are matched... mixing is bad. I guess my next step is to dismantle the Jacobs and start from scratch. I really wish I could leave the BR on the firewall... have to find the answer to the ground question. Thanks. himmelberg