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Let me toss in some info about some good pump guns. First off, I've gotta second what everyone else is saying. Rem, Moss, and what not will not let you down. It'll come to preference, I think.
I'd steer clear of the things like Norinco. Just anicdotal info here, but I've used 2 that were new and being broken. We took them bottle hunting and they never cycled rounds properly.
My favorite shot gun, in the good ol' 12 ga. has been my Ithaca modle 37.
You can get then for right around 200, and depending on where you get them, you can get some pretty cool looking parkerized finishes. I guess that's the "tactical" version.
They have SMOOOOth actions, and they are kind'a unique in that they are bottom eject.
They dont have a sear that disengages the trigger from the firing pin when you pump them. Should you find a use for it, you can hold down the trigger and it will fire every time you lock the bolt forward.
I think the .50 you're thinking of was an Armalite AR-50. I've got one of these and it is a fun gun. It is true that .50 rifles are accurate out to, and beyond, 1000 yards. There is an organization called the Fifty Caliber Shooters Association (fcsa.org) that actually have mile shoots(1760 yards). At this range there are shooters with custom rifles able to consistently hit a pie pan. Check out Barrettrifles.com for some nice toys.
Man, that's incredible, isn't it? Thanks for the info.
They have SMOOOOth actions, and they are kind'a unique in that they are bottom eject.
They dont have a sear that disengages the trigger from the firing pin when you pump them. Should you find a use for it, you can hold down the trigger and it will fire every time you lock the bolt forward.
That's the way my 1897 winchester is... only it has a hammer, if you hold the trigger down and pump it the hammer drops every time the action locks, so it will fire as fast as you can pump it. The original Winchester Model 12, earlier Ithaca 37s like yours, and Winchester Model 42s also had that feature. The reason I mention it is that Norinco is supposed to be working on the production of replica's of the old 97 Winchesters, but I've never owned a Norinco firearm. Which models did you use and was the only problem just that the shell didn't cycle correctly? Just wondering becuase I was thinking of buying one of the reproductions when they came out but I sure don't need a problamatic gun.
I've heard that they used them some in the trenches during WWII... loaded with 00 Buck they were pretty mean in those close quarters situations.
To tell you the truth, I dont know the models of the Norincos. One was some sort of all black pump action and the other was an over-under. The pump would, actually cycle if you put alot of strength into it. So, I guess I'm correcting my self. But it would jam pretty good if you didnt crank it hard.
And the over under, I had to pry the spent rounds out with a screw driver so I could grab 'em with my multi-plier.
Their reproductions may be alright, since they are based on an otherwise reliable gun.
If there's any way you can try before you buy, that'd help. Used gun places, as well as some shooting ranges will let you do this some times, especially if they really think youre interested, and not there just for kicks.
To tell you the truth, I dont know the models of the Norincos. One was some sort of all black pump action and the other was an .
I think the black pump your talking about is the Model 98. I don't have any experience with this particular gun but a buddy of mine has. He claims its a clone of the Remington 870. See pic below, there are assault and field versions of that gun.
I second and third was was said above, can't beat a Mossberg.
i'll fourth it... my 590 has been perfect... it saved my life and that of my GF last fall...we were camping and apparently a couple of wild dogs smelled our dinner... we had it in the bed of the truck and she was in our tent... nature called me and I took the shotgun to deal with any copperheads... I came back to see the dogs ate all the food and were moving closer to her.. i killed them both...we never went back to that site....
I just sold a brand new (never been assembled) BPS Stalker 3.5" for $280.
I have had alot of pump-guns in my life, the 870 is a workhorse. The Mossbergs I am not a fan of. The Winchester 1300 my friend owned had alot of problems, the Benelli Nova is also a nice piece and reasonably priced also.
A better question would be, what is your price range?
I've used a Mossberg 500 (with combo barrels) for the last 10 years. It's a good buy for the money. I also bought a 20 ga. combo Mossberg 500 that my son and daughter use and it's been great. In Illinois, the Mossberg with a rifled slug barrel and sabot slug is a great deer gun. In a minute, I can swap for the bird barrel and get pheasant.
Never failed me. My brother uses a Remington semi-auto and he's happy, but he paid a lot more than I did.
The reason your shotgun fires when the trigger is pulled and held while pumping is that it doesn't have a disconnector, not a sear.
I work on thousands of guns a year and I'm here to tell you its hard to beat a 870 for a pump gun. There are 5 times more of them on the street than any other pump and you hardly ever see one broken.
That maverick is a mossberg inside and out. Mossbergs are a fairly descent shotgun. Make sure you buy an aftermarket metal saftey to replace the cheap plastic one that comes on the gun.
The wingmaster would be the pump of choice......same as the 870, just better fit and finish.
Got to go with the 870. Keep in mind that you want a gun that wil last as well. I have a Mossberg and it is not nearly as tight and well made as the remington is. Also parts, service and support can be found anywhere and at decent prices as well. I bought my first 870 22 yrs ago and it still serves me well no matter what I am hunting nor the conditions I am hunting in. Don't let price be the deciding factor. In this case you WILL get what you paid for.
When I first got into Law-enforcement it the mid-70's, we had both Mossberg and Remington shotguns. The problem with the Mossberg's always seemed to be that if you didn't rack the fore-stock hard, it would tend to jam. Never had that problem with the Remington's. We now use Benelli SP 90 semi-auto's.