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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 06:39 PM
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Heavy Duty payloads

My uncles been in the market for a heady duty truck, hes still debating over a F-250, Ram 2500, or GMC 2500 HD. Ive been giving him a hand in shopping for a truck.

What hes most interested in is payload and creature comforts for his kids, Ive been having a hard time finding the payload capacities for each of the trucks. Either they dont make sense or they seem way off the scale. Anybody out there have numbers for the payload for each of these trucks?

The specs of the truck are:

-Heavy duty (F-250, Ram 2500, Gmc 2500 HD)
-4 doors
-4x4
-Shortbed


any help with those numbers would be great!
(in the meantime Ill try to convince him an F-250's the way to go! )
 
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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 07:39 PM
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BTW, the new 250s come out later this year....with alot higher of a payload if he wants the diesel.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Dean
BTW, the new 250s come out later this year....with alot higher of a payload if he wants the diesel.
Actually the diesels offer more towing capacity, not payload. With the additional weight of the diesel powered trucks, the gas versions can legally haul more on the truck chassis.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 07:59 PM
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DOH I am always getting those two mixed up, yeah sorry, technically arent they all rated the same then? 1/2 ton 3/4 ton or 1 ton? as far as payload
 
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Old Jun 2, 2004 | 08:11 PM
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Actually the diesels offer more towing capacity, not payload. With the additional weight of the diesel powered trucks, the gas versions can legally haul more on the truck chassis.
I think you contradict yourself??? Although the diesel will tow better than the V10 technically it can tow less. Since it weighs more it takes up more of both the GVWR and GCWR. Same thing with the dually. Since it weighs more it technically can tow less than the F250 since both have a GCWR of 20K even though the payload is much higher. I think Ford is making the dually GCWR higher than the SRW in the 2005 models though.
 
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 12:39 PM
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He's talking what he can legally tow vs. What he can actually tow.
I know the 3/4 Chevy/GM has some of the better creature comforts, rides a little nicer, and in the 3/4 has the highest payload capacity 9200 GVWR. However, the new 2005 SD looks very promising if he can hang out for awhile.
http://www.pickuptruck.com/
 
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 10:49 PM
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I think you contradict yourself??? Although the diesel will tow better than the V10 technically it can tow less. Since it weighs more it takes up more of both the GVWR and GCWR. Same thing with the dually. Since it weighs more it technically can tow less than the F250 since both have a GCWR of 20K even though the payload is much higher. I think Ford is making the dually GCWR higher than the SRW in the 2005 models though.
Not true about the DRW, it can tow more. You just can't have more than 20,000 GCW. If you have a trailer and load that weighs 13,400lbs, you can ONLY pull it with a regular cab, DRW, 2wd truck. You would be 900 lbs over weight with a SRW truck. Now, You can haul more with a SRW truck buy puting some of the weight in the box, BUT, will you then be over your axle weight limit???? DRW trucks can haul more, period. Becouse you have to factor in combined weight, with the trailer weight, with the axle weight. The odds of being able to properly haul as much as a DRW truck, with a SRW truck, are pretty slim...at best.
 
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Old Jun 3, 2004 | 10:53 PM
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I'm not doubting that in reality the DRW can tow more and do it safer, but all F250/350 trucks with the V10 and PSD, at least until the 2005 model year, have the same GCWR. Also, since the diesel weighs more, technically a V10 F350 dually can tow more than the PSD. The problem is that there are several numbers you have to observe, not just one of them. Anything that adds weight to the truck will decrease the maximum towing capacity, such as a CC, dually, or PSD.
 

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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 03:18 AM
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The biggest concern is for payload capacity, theres not much needed for towing.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2004 | 03:10 PM
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The biggest concern is for payload capacity, theres not much needed for towing.
If you go to Ford's website and buld and price a truck it will give you the payload. This, of course, does not include accessories you might add, passenger weight, fuel weight, etc. From what has been posted the 2005 trucks are going to have higher payload and tow ratings.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2004 | 05:34 PM
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In my opinion, until they get the diesel mess straightened out, I'd get the '05 with the V-10, (355hp/455tq.), the payload can go up to 5800lbs., the towing can go to 17,000 lbs. gooseneck & 15,000lbs. conventional.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2004 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MW95F250
In my opinion, until they get the diesel mess straightened out, I'd get the '05 with the V-10, (355hp/455tq.), the payload can go up to 5800lbs., the towing can go to 17,000 lbs. gooseneck & 15,000lbs. conventional.
455 tq is about 115 ft/lbs less than the 05 diesel, a pretty substantial difference not to mention the V10 based on posts on this site will only get avg. 12-14 mpg empty and much worse towing. Theres nothing wrong with a gasser in a 3/4 or 1 ton truck, but not if you are going to be putting any weight in it or behind it. Plus in my area 2.00/gallon unleaded vs. 1.72 diesel. I wish everything was a diesel. I would suggest any 3/4 or 1 ton be equipped with a diesel, if you aren't going to tow much or are going to tow light, get a 1/2 ton truck anyway, unless of course you are hypnotized into buying a superduty becaues they look sharp!!! (it happens)....
 
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 05:57 AM
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I d wait and go for the 2005. Crewcab Fords are second to nobody. The room in those things is unbelievable. More than anybody elses crewcab if thats important too you. To me it is. Just my opinion
 
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdieseldav
455 tq is about 115 ft/lbs less than the 05 diesel, a pretty substantial difference not to mention the V10 based on posts on this site will only get avg. 12-14 mpg empty and much worse towing. Theres nothing wrong with a gasser in a 3/4 or 1 ton truck, but not if you are going to be putting any weight in it or behind it. Plus in my area 2.00/gallon unleaded vs. 1.72 diesel. I wish everything was a diesel. I would suggest any 3/4 or 1 ton be equipped with a diesel, if you aren't going to tow much or are going to tow light, get a 1/2 ton truck anyway, unless of course you are hypnotized into buying a superduty becaues they look sharp!!! (it happens)....

I can do just as much with a gas engine as I can with a diesel. It's in the transmission & gearing. They didn't put those 370's & 429's in the last generation F-600's and F-700's for nothing.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2004 | 02:30 AM
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Except for drive it for 500,000 miles without rebuilding it. Can't do that in a gasser.
 
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