I am looking to do the fog light mod on my 98 Navigator. I want to do it the right way by taking the light controll out of the dash and drilling out the small plastic limiter on the back of the light switch.

1) Can it be done on a Navigator
2) How do I pull the light switch controll out of the dash?

 

Which fog light mod is it? Is like on the Mustangs so you can run the fog lights with the parking lights instead of only on low beam? If so I would like to do that to my 2000 Xpy Eddie B also. I wired my '97 Cobra so the fog lights came on with the parking lights, low and high beams, but also shut off with the headlight switch so I didn't run the battery down if I forgot to switch the fogs off also.

Do you have a link to the mod you're talking about?

 

I have found this on another web site...sorry it is long and more for an F150 but the function seems to be the same. I have not tried it but I just found it tonight.

Hope this is what you wanted...
Reece

Extending Fog/Driving Lamp Functionality in the 2000 SVT F-150 Lightning...
This document is the culmination of data and experience gained in altering the stock functionality of the 2000 Lightning's Fog or Driving Lights. These are the round lights housed in the front lower fairing, and are referred to in this document as Foglights.
This document is written based on my 2000 model year only, but the information presented here may be useful for other model years.
In the stock mode of operation, you are only able to activate the foglights when the headlight switch is in the full 'on' (or headlamp position), ainly because it is the only position where you can physicaly pull out the switch to activate the foglamps.
Through testing and guessing, I have altered my truck's headlight switch mechanism and wiring in such a way that I am able to:
1. pull out the headlight switch in the autolamp, the parking lamp, and the headlamp positions.
2. activate the foglights while the headlight switch is in the autolamp, parking lamp and headlamp positions.
How? There are 2 parts I recommend in this procedure - the physical modification, and the electrical modification.

Preliminary Preparations
1. Gather your tools. I used a small screwdriver, small hobby file, medium pair of pliers, 3M splice connector, electrical tape, and an air compressor (canned air will suffice).
2. Take a deep breath. If you are like me, I'm very hesitant to hurt my truck, so any modification is a big one.
3. Remove the headlight switch console. This console has three metal clips holding it in the dash- one on the bottom-middle where the 'notch' is, one on the left-middle, and one on the top-right. I simply used a small screwdriver to coax these clips into releasing the console from the dash. There are 2 sets of wires plugged into the back of this console.
Results at this point:
You should be ready to start working.

Part 1 - Physical Modification: The Headlight Switch Mechanism
1. Disconnect the wires. The connectors to the back of the console have a 'lock' or 'latch' that you must press while wiggling/pulling the connector. I also don't recommend pulling on the wires - there is always the possibility of damaging a wire or pulling it from the connector.
2. Find the collar. If you look into the console from the bottom, you should be able to see the mechanical headlamp switch mechanism. There's a black plastic column that's attached to the headlamp switch that should rotate as you move the switch to its different positions (autolamp, off, park, on). Also attached to that column, inside the console, there's a black plastic 'arm' - this, along with the 'ramped' white plastic collar around the switch, is what prevents the headlamp **** from being pulled out in any position except the 'on' headlamp position.

The easiest way to find the 'ramped' white plastic collar I am talking about is to turn the switch to the full on headlamp and foglamp position (turn switch full clockwise and pull it out). Now look for the black plastic arm. Now watch that arm as you slowly turn the switch counter-clockwise back to the park position. You should see the arm ride on a white plastic collar surrounding the whole headlamp switch mechanism. There is a 'ramp' in this collar that forces the switch to pop back inward when you turn from the 'on' position to the 'park' position.

Good luck, this can be a little confusing.
3. Persuade the collar. Using a small file, I filed down the white plastic collar at the positions I wanted to be able to pull out the headlamp switch to activate the foglamps. I filed down the ramp at the 'park' position, but duplicated the slope on the other side of that position. So now the switch stays pulled-out in the 'on' and 'park' position, but still pops back in when I turn to 'off'. For the autolamp position, I filed a notch and ramp towards the off position. Again, the switch stays pulled-out in the 'auto' position, but still pops back in when I turn to 'off'. Make sure to clean/blow out the plastic filings from the casing.

IMPORTANT: I do NOT recommend simply cutting the 'arm' from the switch column. This negates the collar's secondary function of being able to provide 'stops' for the switch mechanism. One bit of feedback I have gotten from someone who just cut the arm is: "Without the sweeper arm, the whole switch is kind of wonky. It pulls out too far and will also rotate past the autolamp position. Just don't like the feel."

NOTE: Since this is a single-piece part, I chose NOT to take off the faceplate to make any alterations. I'm sure one can take the thing apart and superglue/epoxy it back together, but I'd rather not break plastic pieces apart if I don't absolutely have to.
Results at this point:
Your foglamps should now activate with your headlamps in autolamp mode. Reassemble everything, turn the headlamp switch to autolamp, pull out on the headlamp switch, and turn the ignition to 'on'. You can now fool the autolamp sensor (underneath the plastic 'grille' in the middle of the dashboard) to activate by covering it and deactivate it by shining a flashlight into it.
NOTE: Canadian owners' trucks will work diffenently at this point. Instead of the foglight only turning on with the autolamps when the switch is in the appropriate position, the foglamps will light whenever the ignition is on. This is due to the added DRL (Daytime Running Lights) feature, which is apparently mandatory in Canada. This is probably fixable, but requires the electrical splice described below, AND cutting the #2 wire away from the switch connector. Read on...

Part 2 - Electrical Modification: The Headlight Switch Wiring
This is the easiest part. If you look at the wire connector that plugs into the back of the headlamp switch, there should be 9 wires of varying colors. Although the connector has space for 12 wires, only 9 of them are used. Also, on the wire side of the connector (as opposed to the switch side of the connector, which is the side you would insert into the switch), the wire positions are numbered.
Okay, find the #2 wire (white/black) and the #12 wire (brown) that is attached to the connector and splice them together. That's it! No cutting needed! Don't forget to electrical tape/insulate your splice well.
NOTE: For Canadian owners, after performing the electrical splice described above, you shoul cut the #2 wire away from the switch connector to achieve the results below. Also keep in mind that this addition step is my best guess at a solution, but shoul be considered untested. If you try this on a Canadian 2000 Lightning, please let me know your results.
Results at this point:
In addition to working with the autolamps, you should now be able to activate your foglamps with just your parking lights. Make sure to test everything BEFORE popping the switch console back into the dash... much easier this way in case somethig is/goes wrong.

Well, that's it for duplicating my truck's added foglamp features. There are, however, other possible variations to this procedure.
For example: to convert your foglamps to psuedo-DRL's you can splice the #5 wire to the #7 wire to have the fogs turn on whenever you rotate the headlamp switch to the auto position (filing the switch isn't necessary for this one). Or to make the fogs always turn on with the parking lamps, you can splice the #5 wire to the #12 wire (no filing for this one either). If you want to make your own varient, I would study the data I gathered to see how you might go about getting the exact behavior you want.

 

The previous response is accurate with one exception...in order to get the headlight switch out I had to pry the side of the dash panel apart and press a relase lever to allow the switch to come out. I discovered this the hard way as I separated the switch from it's housing on accident. It was actually easier this way because I was able to use a dremel and file the switch ramp down from the inside and still achieve the desired effect. The wiring is easy...just splice the brown wire with the white/black striped wire and it's done. I can now pull my fogs on with the parking lamps and they will now stay on with the highbeams activated. I did however get the third degree from the wife when I couldn't get the switch to come out and it came apart on me... "Why don't you just leave things the way they are?!"
Women just don't understand men and their toys.

 

The filing makes sense, but what is the purpose of the wire splice? Is that just so the fog lights stay on with the high beam headlights as well?

 

Maybe you have a Pre 2000 model? The early switches had the lock tabs that you release by reversing the headlamp switch **** and turning the **** in the reversed position to release the lock tabs. Self destruction not necessary..

 

When I was looking at wiring diagrma and from what I can tell it is so that the fogs lights can get power when the headlights are off. The brown wires are for the parking lamps and thw white/black stripe is before the fog relay if I am remembering correctly.

 

Thank you very much for taking the time to post this, it was exactly what I was looking for.

 

Will this also work for the new style of lights that turn on from the switch on the steering column as well??

 

amen to that bro

 

Glad they thought of that for mine . . .

 

bump for later!

 

Has anyone tried this on a 99 F150? The autolamp/off position are the same and the autolamp is associated with a **** (like thing) like the dash dimmer control.

I am a novice when it comes to these things, but I love my truck and don't want to mess anthing up. Please forgive the stupid questions.

Splice...do you disconnect the wires you are splicing from the wire side of the connector? I guess I am unsure about the details of a splice. Could someone explain?

 

Ok, So my new o5 expy EB is not so new it now has 6,000 miles onit.. I am still excited about it and love it for the most part. I have 2 major frustrations.. 1) slight rattle in the headliner over Driver head.. ARG..
Mostly I am quite peaved at Ford ! All the hype over saftey and yes our EXPYs are extremely safe.. however what about the DRLs? My truck had a 47K sticker.. All the hype and toys and NO DRLs.. isn't that a basic given now?
Whew.. Ok now that I vented.. What is the simplest way to convert my stock fog/driving lights into DRLs... I am not really interested in 'pulling'wires through the firewall etc.. I have automatic lights etc. but really want DRLs... even my wifes 03 BMW comes with DRLs ( forget the auto lights.. ) Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Now I guess you know why you got your 47K stickered Expy for 33K? They drop an item or two off the options list to make that possible.

Now go spend 40 bucks on an aftermarket DRL module and follow the installation instructions. Should take you almost half an hour to do the modification.

Good luck!