Somebody set me straight on this. I have heard that Navistar makes the whole engine and sells it to Ford but I've also heard that Navistar makes the block and Ford adds the 'Powerstroke' to it. Which is it? Thanks! Benjamin

 

As far as i have head , the motor is built by Navistar/International - then stuffed in Ford trucks.

 

Your right, Joe - the engine is a Navistar, who are really International. Ford has used them for a while to build small diesels for them. Interestingly, Ford maintains the Powerstroke on a different schedule to International.

Wm
'02 F250 4x4 Crew Cab Lariot Powerstroke; white with leather - 3.73 gears. Not yet modified but the accessories are looking good.
'96 F450 4x4 Crew Cab XLT Powerstroke; White with Grey interior. Banks Turbo, Intercooler and Exhaust,
Power pack Chip, shift kit, Auxiliary transmission, electronic enhanced transmission control,
16 forward and 4 reverse ratios. 340hp 660ft lb, 4.10 gears, 12,ooo# winch

https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gallery/displaythumbnail.php?&photoid=8385&.jpg

 

they "used" the 7.3 powerstrokes a.k.a. T444E in internatioanl trucks also but it looks a lot different in the big trucks, my uncle has a 98 international boom truck with the motor and boy does it leak oil like crazy atleast 7 different spots

the 7.3 is gone the 6.0 has already replaced it, drive one at your local ih dealer b4 it hits the ford lot, The Diesel Dude how many workers had to look elsewhere for employment since the new engine line has gone up ?

 

Thanks for your replies! Let me rephrase my question a little. Does Navistar make the block and turbo or does Ford put the turo on afterwards? Thanks! Benjamin

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 11-Sep-02 AT 11:41 PM (EST)]It's made by International. Technically it's made by Navistar, the joint company name used for the Ford/International business relationship. The International versions of the Navistar engines are basically the same thing. There are a few changes such as a larger oil pan, but essentially it is the same engine.

 

Otto:
The word at this time is that there will be about 300 people laid off when we start building the 6.0L engine on the 30th of this month but the way these morons run this place, I wouldn't be surprised if they have to hire 300 more to get all the work done!

 

Friends,
I usually post on the SD forum but thought I would pass this on. Turns out this topic was kinda in line with my post. It is from a friend that works at Nav-International as a tire engineer. He keeps tabs on the PSD and Ford related stuff cuz I am a big Ford guy. This is apparently from a company news letter. As to the question of who makes what parts, I think that Nav-International or International Truck and Engine Co. makes the whole thing. Read on and tell me what you think:


Indianapolis Engine Plant Reaches the Two Million Milestone
The Indianapolis Engine Plant has produced its two millionth V-8 diesel engine on the current program, a testament to the high quality, reliability and durability of our diesel engine products. The plant reached this significant milestone in only eight years, a record in the mid-range diesel engine market.

We were able to reach such high production numbers in a relatively short amount of time due in large part to the loyalty of Ford customers. The engines–1.8 million of which are branded the Power Stroke® Diesel engine by Ford Motor Company for its F-Series Super Duty pickups, Econoline vans and Excursion SUVs–are the most successful in the mid-range diesel marketplace.


The popularity of the Power Stroke Diesel is proven by the fact that two out of every three Ford Super Duty pickup buyers choose our diesel engine option over the standard gas engine. Of those Power Stroke Diesel engines, 98.9 percent of the engines built since 1994 are still on the road.(my bold)


The popularity of the Power Stroke Diesel engine has helped increase the general acceptance for diesel power in consumer vehicles because it not only produces the power needed as a work vehicle for businesses, but it also offers the fuel economy and smooth ride desired for recreational and everyday driving. The engine also goes under the name International® T 444E in International school buses and medium trucks.


This V-8 diesel engine model helped our Indianapolis Engine Plant become the world’s leading producer of mid-range diesel engines in the 160 to 300 horsepower range. The plant built the first million engines in five years, and it took little more than three years for workers to produce the second million. In 1998, the plant was recognized as one of Industry Week magazine’s Top 10 North American manufacturing plants.

Big

2000 F250 SD SC 5.4L Gasser
4.10s 4x4 L/S rearend
Western 7'6" plow
White with parchment cloth

 

>It's made by International. Technically it's made by
>Navistar, the joint company name used for the
>Ford/International business relationship. The International
>versions of the Navistar engines are basically the same
>thing. There are a few changes such as a larger oil pan,
>but essentially it is the same engine.


Correction. Navistar is the holding company of International Truck and Engine Company. The PSD is a registered badge held by Ford. International builds the complete engine and shares many parts with the T444E. What separates the 2 are the performance parts needed to meet Ford's specs.

 

I stand corrected.

 

>Otto:
>The word at this time is that there will be about 300 people
>laid off when we start building the 6.0L engine on the 30th
>of this month but the way these morons run this place, I
>wouldn't be surprised if they have to hire 300 more to get
>all the work done!

Some things never change, atleast it looks good on paper, the engine plant has come a long way since the shaky early 80's when IH claimed bankruptcy, joekiess, where you there when everyone thought "the end was near"

 

Seems to me that there are people out there willing to buy diesel and you get better mpgs and durability why are that adding that to the Expedition line? Are the excursions seals and fuels lines made of Dupont Viton(Biodiesel compatiable?

 

Why would they cut 300 workers when they switch to making the new 6.0?

Assuming they make the same number of engines, do they take less labor to manufacture? (I hate to see anyone lose their job!)

-Bill in Colorado

 

Otto:
Yes I was there when everybody thought the end was near. International Harvester had the dubious distinction of having the greatest debt load (at that time) than any company in the history of the world. John Horne, our CEO, came up with a plan to solve the debt problem and our engineering department converted our old (it was fairly new at the time) MV8 engine to a diesel, and our marketing people convinced Ford that it was just what they needed. It provided us with the cash flow to remain afloat and the rest, as they say, is history.
Parotthead:
The new line is more automated than the old one and (they say) we'll need less people to run it. We manufacture a good product and our engineering department is second to none. I am confident that this new engine will be as reliable as the old one. It looks like a solid design to me. But our management people suck!! I am not at all convinced that they are capable of attaining any of the goals that they've set for themselves regarding their man power levels. They are not liars, just morons.